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Location: Contrarian Island | burning is faster than you can reel w a revo toro or 7000C3! ; ) |
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| True. A 7000C3 will never burn them, but it's a cheap reel that will allow you to at least use 10s. It pulls them significantly easier than a BPS Muskie Angler (Maina) reel, Shimano Corvalus/Cardiff, or other reels in the $100+ range. For a high-school-kid-budget I don't think it's that bad of reel. However, I think he could get a variety of used reels at a comparable price that would be significantly better for 10s. |
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| I'd wait a year, and buy a used Tranx. Whatever hot new model is rolling off the presses today is almost guaranteed to be sold used in great numbers next season. It happened with the Millionaires, then the AC300's, the Luna's, The Trinidad's, Saltists, and the Revo's. No reason to think next year will be any different, because next year somebody will come out with "the best reel ever" and everybody will be selling their gear to scrape the money together to buy the new one. |
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| At least 30" per turn |
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| niagaramusky - 12/14/2011 10:02 PM
At least 30" per turn
Can you clarify whether you would consider buying a used reel? That will significantly narrow down the options and opinions. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | What's available in left hand models?
Saltist no, Trinidad no, Torium no, Tranx no.
Any suggestions? |
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| Used or new I'd prefer new but it does not matter |
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| Used or new I'd prefer new but it does not matter |
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| Ok. Let's narrow it down some more.
1) What's your budget? Or at least the absolute most you're willing to pay?
2) Have you ever tried a conventional baitcaster (no levelwind; i.e.: Trinidad)? Would you consider trying to learn how to use one? |
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| Yes I have used conventional and can use them. my price range is 250 and below. Also is there a reel that I can use for double tens that is more all purpose but won't die in a season if I throw them from time to time.( reason I was looking at callcutta b and revo toro) |
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| I would say a used Calcutta 400TE would be a much better choice if you want an all-around reel, and I'm sure you can get a used one for that price. It is a quality reel that is built to last. You're only going to get 25" per turn, so you're going to have to work a little harder to burn, but it is unbelievably better than a B or a Toro. |
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| Thanks for the help I'll look into that reel and out of curiosity what are your thoughts on avets |
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| I've never tried one personally. A lot of people have used them for 10s. I think Avets will burn (don't quote me on that), but I'm not sure how they have held up. There are a bunch of old posts about them on here. I'm not sure which models are preferred, but I'm fairly certain they are conventional-type reels. They're also made in America. |
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| Thanks for the help I'll look into that reel and out of curiosity what are your thoughts on avets |
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| Burning to most is a reel that will turn 30-35" or more per crank. I have used a trinidad and own a saltist 20. I also have two Avets a lefty and a righty. All three are good reels. The Avets have lever drags which make them a bit harder to use for some......I love lever drags though.
Unless it is important to only reel at high speeds all day, I would recommend the saltist 20 with a levelwind. You can usually find those at a good price.
Very few people actually "burn" all day. I have actually never seen it no matter whom I have fished with. |
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Location: Denmark | JakeStCroixSkis - 12/12/2011 5:35 PM
jim saric uses a st croix ac250 or ac300 for nearly every application it seems. on every musky hunter show it tells what gear he will be using and unless he is trolling it seems he is using a st croix ac series reel. and he throws double tens for plenty of hours, im sure. if you could find one of these (thats the issue) it may be a good reel for that budget concious person who would like a quality reel that can take the double tens and others too.
Jim Saric also probably get a new reel every 6 month. The St Criox reel is made by Daiwa, and is similar to the Daiwa Luna. There are better reels, for less money. With prober maintenance the ABU Inshore classic with Steel Gears, or even the Amb 7000 it will outlast the St Criox/Luna 10:1.
I have serviced several Lunas, and the CNC frame is too fragile(IMO), for Big-bait aplications. Documentation on this is available here
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2087.msg18570#msg18570 |
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Location: Smith Creek | The AC250 that Saric uses were discontinued about 4 years ago so he's still using those. Should say something about those reels durability with proper maintenance.
I bought an Avet last year (SX 5.3 MC) and while I can't speak for it's durability I really like the reel for burning 10's. I think it takes 29-30 inches per turn but it's easy to pop a non-weighted double 10 out of the water with it.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | J/S St Croix 250 reels are about 4 years and older, I should know because I'm the one who Tunes and Maintains them for J/S. The Daiwa Luna / St Croix reels are one of the best build reels on the market today. J/S uses his reels hard and they have held up for over 4-5 years fishing over 200 days a year, not many other reels could do that. |
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Location: Denmark | But Pikemaster I agree, it's one of the best build reels, but not the strongest.
A picture says more than 1000 words. I have seen this kind of cracks tree times now on Lunas. That this type of reel works for Saric it great for him, and if Pikemaster service his reels, it speaks for him as well.
But the facts is that some Daiwa CNC frames have problems, at least those sold over here. Why this happens I don't know for sure, but the Saltiga appears to have the same problem, Alan Tani reported. Over torqued screws might be the source, but this should not happened so frequently. But later revisions might have solved the problem, I don't know?.
The problem is well known when doing CNC cut bicycle parts in Alu, Thin part can't be done strong enough because CNC cutting changes the structures of the metal.
The worlds largest maker of bicycle parts(Shimano) seems to know that too 
NB. Take a look at the tricky screwhole to the left, If you do that kind of experiments in the Polytechnic school, you will not pass your first year.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | WOW I thought the guys here in the USA only abused there reels. Never have seen that before on any Shimano or Daiwa reels. But like I said any reel brand can and will break if it is abused. Maybe that was a bad batch of frames ??? |
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Location: Denmark | Maybe, and the "Luna" has more positive features than negative ones. |
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| I have the opportunity to buy a Calcutta 200 GT for a pretty reasonable price. Rather than start a new topic I thought I would just ask (since the search function wouldn't work for me). Think it will hold up better than my 6500 C3 for throwing 10's? |
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| Pay close attention to Sarics shows this winter you'll see that he is using a Trinidad 16NA quite often when casting blades. |
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| I would check into the Avet's or maybe Okuma Cortez. Those have the inches per turn to burn with. Wish I could find a decent review on the Cortez. |
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Location: Central Minnesota | Although reel speed is the most important when burning bucktails, there are other ways to gain speed on your retrieve. In a 2011 issue of Musky Hunter, one of the authors interviews Jason Hamernick. He talks about a technique where he sweeps his 9+ ft rod from one side to the other as he burns in the bait. These added sweeps create extra speed which could trigger more strikes. Just something to think about. |
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