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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | horsehunter - 12/6/2011 7:28 AM
If fish are properly handled and released stocking is usually not necessary the fish population will be self sustaining. Ontario closed its musky hatchery over 20 years ago and with the exception of The Lake Simcoe Project whoes aim is to reintroduce muskies into Lake Simcoe no stocking is done. The lake where I live and others nearby were last stocked in 1973 yet people from the Chicago area still drive 14 hours non stop to fish them. Musky fishing is as good as it has ever been.
However mandatory total catch and release could be the top of a slipery slope.
The ability to eliminate stocking and creating a self sustaining fishery may be true on the ontario waters where there may exist satisfactory spawning grounds for the fish to procreate...but...what about those states/areas where the fish have been stocked but spawning is not successful?
In therory, I would say you are correct, but I believe there are enough instances where that is not the case...thus the supplemental stocking (or full stocking in some cases) to help the fishery will always be needed or the population would die off.
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Location: deephaven mn | 54'' minnimum is what we need.
no need to keep a 54'' either, but t may save a few 52"s |
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Location: Rhinelander. | Too many unknowns to go there I feel. The one tag is a good way but it should be one tag for any musky. That someone like myself that release everything have a nice out if I would have a 38 incher or whatever size it is that I know is not going to make it. I I decide to use it on a 50 or bigger I can, I think this way you protect the fishery better. |
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| its sure gonna get lonely on our TC area Tiger lakes if we rely on natural repo  |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Now if you could get the Darkhouse Assn to end their Spear and Release Program on Bemidji and Plantan.
kevin cochran - 12/5/2011 2:50 AM
Catch and release regulations for the state of MN concerning muskies. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Silver Scale - 12/5/2011 8:19 AM
54 inch minimum on trophy lakes capable of producing fish of this size. Leech, Bemidji, Cass, Mil Lacs, Vermilion, etc. Rest of the state leave at 48 inch. Study lakes like Elk, etc leave as catch and release.
Curious as to manadorty catch and release on lakes like Lac Seul if it's made any difference in population or increased the size structure?
It has been my understanding that in the 80's and early 90's trophy fish were being purged from Lac Seul at an alarming rate. I have been told the big fish numbers are getting closer to what they once were but it still is and always was a lower fish density lake...So the C&R policy seems like it has been pretty effective and at minimal not a negative in any way |
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Location: Contrarian Island | so what have we learned.... almost 27% of the respondents voted "no"....this site is a hardcore C&R site..so what that says to me is there is a snowballs chance in H*LL that it would get any traction statewide when you have all the other fishermen and sportsmen chiming in...not sure how it works in MN to get things passed but if this same vote happened in WI....well we all know what that outcome would be... |
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| kinda looks like a lot of the banter on this thread is coming from out of state fishermen anyway, wonder how many voted no? probably more people looking for something to hang on the wall coming from out of state than in state.
here in MN you don't really need a consensus anyway, just one lawmaker willing slide it in some bill where it doesn't belong. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'probably more people looking for something to hang on the wall coming from out of state than in state.'
Why would that be? |
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| I look at the DNR budget, the possibility of getting new lakes, the increasing pressure on the existing lakes as well as the potential for new damaging legislation, the future fisherman. The budget is bleak, as well there are those that dont want to pay anything for their effort. The chance of getting 6 more lakes is about 10% with the present people deciding the priority's of the state, this was highlighted by the disregard for the Governors veto by the appointed official. Muskies and Pike are the lowest priority now.
The sport is steadily growing and MN and LSC seem to be the destination of choice for most anglers, so how do we balance the load against the available water. It seems Muskies have a cross-hair on their back, literally. Every Lake with the LL strain has the ability to produce fish over 55, and does. Is a 55 off Mille Lacs more important than a 55 off a 800 acre lake with as much or more pressure as the pond?
MN Muskie management is geared towards trophy fishing, with this you'll see fewer and fewer numbers lakes with the exception of some brood lakes. How do we sustain the fishery with the obstacles ahead? for the past 2 years the DNR has shown us no plans for new lakes or provided us with any answers for the questions we have. In the 80's and 90's they created what we have today and its starting to come up short. How do we prepare for the next generations? Or do we just let it go and see what happens? I dont believe in letting go. |
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Location: The desert | What does a resident full season fishing license cost in MN? WI? |
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| sworrall - 12/8/2011 2:43 PM 'probably more people looking for something to hang on the wall coming from out of state than in state.' Why would that be? I think the thought is non-residents dont have a dog in the fight so they are more willing to take from another state. We hear about the gross over-limits of fish and game all the time; but it seems if that violator is from some other state it sticks with us. When we hear about the 54 I think it was last year that came off a popular lake and went to Wisco we tend to remember that and forget about the guy that took a 55 home because he's a local. Plenty of residents are whacking fish.
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| marine_1 - 12/7/2011 6:54 PM Now if you could get the Darkhouse Assn to end their Spear and Release Program on Bemidji and Plantan. kevin cochran - 12/5/2011 2:50 AM Catch and release regulations for the state of MN concerning muskies. Something tells me they aren't look to release them in the future. They want you to buy a tag to keep Muskies and Pike over 36. A dead fish is a dead fish and it doesn't matter how it died is the thought. Somebody said one legislator and their bill; they are right. It doesn't take anymore than that. There's allot of people that are looking to take these big fish besides little Timmy when he gets his first.
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| sworrall - 12/8/2011 2:43 PM
'probably more people looking for something to hang on the wall coming from out of state than in state.'
Why would that be?
simply because the release ethic in state seems to be a little above average compared to other places. i'm just curious if the survey would produce similar results among residents only. |
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Location: Blaine, MN | Pointerpride102 - 12/8/2011 2:52 PM
What does a resident full season fishing license cost in MN? WI?
Only $17.00 in MN plus a buck or so to the vendor of the license.
and only $20.00 in WI. |
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Location: The desert | short STRIKE - 12/8/2011 2:14 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/8/2011 2:52 PM
What does a resident full season fishing license cost in MN? WI?
Only $17.00 in MN plus a buck or so to the vendor of the license.
and only $20.00 in WI.
Would MN and/or WI anglers support a license increase? $22 resident in MN and $25 in WI? |
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| Its not a matter of MN support, Lic increase is viewed as a tax(horrible). Its probably not going to happen till after 2012 election.
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Location: Blaine, MN | Pointerpride102 - 12/8/2011 3:19 PM
short STRIKE - 12/8/2011 2:14 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/8/2011 2:52 PM
What does a resident full season fishing license cost in MN? WI?
Only $17.00 in MN plus a buck or so to the vendor of the license.
and only $20.00 in WI.
Would MN and/or WI anglers support a license increase? $22 resident in MN and $25 in WI?
just out of curiosity, since I've never had the opportunity to go there, what does a Res. license cost in Utah? |
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Location: The desert | short STRIKE - 12/8/2011 2:43 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/8/2011 3:19 PM
short STRIKE - 12/8/2011 2:14 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/8/2011 2:52 PM
What does a resident full season fishing license cost in MN? WI?
Only $17.00 in MN plus a buck or so to the vendor of the license.
and only $20.00 in WI.
Would MN and/or WI anglers support a license increase? $22 resident in MN and $25 in WI?
just out of curiosity, since I've never had the opportunity to go there, what does a Res. license cost in Utah?
I pay $30 for a combination Hunting and Fishing license. A second pole permit is $15. Just a singular fishing license is $26 (same for hunting). Tags for animals beyond small game are extra. All are valid for 365 days.
Many anglers here support a license fee increase, since there hasn't been one in several years. |
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