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Location: The desert | Must have gotten lost in the mail! Will have to get another out to you.... |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Dudes,.... really..... I personally know many of the top Guides in the country, and If any of these friends have looked at this thread they would be smiling like a Clown right now.....Are you dudes taking my jabs seriously......???
Man,... I really pulled a P.P. on you guys........... What color is the Hat ?? Green ,or Purple ? I want in THE CLUB !
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | You made the club long ago, G Rome. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | I think H2O might be a what you call a guide hater.
There is a lot more to guiding then just catching fish, Most people that are hiring a guide have a limited fishing backround and you spend most of your first trip out wtih them working on their fundamentals but at the same time trying to catch them a fish. On that first trip out many clients realize that there is a lot more to muskie fishing then they had previously thought and they want to learn more. So on future trips you book them on dates that they can learn something new on each trip helping them become a better all around angler.
With some clients you just build that special bond that turns more into a life long friendship then a client guide relationship. Not only do your clients look forward to fishing with you but you look forward to your dates on the water with them as well. Usually at this point these clients have become very good at catching muskies and once you hit the water all you have to do is go out there and kick some butt on some fish and have a few laughs on the water in the process.
Most of those clients at this point are more then capable of going out and catching fish on their own but a lot of these guys only have 10-15 days year that they can get out and fish, so instead of going out and trying to find the patterns that are working on their own. They would rather just jump in your boat and be on the fish. |
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| Here's your answer on why people hire guides
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=69... |
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Location: New Hope MN | I can't help but chuckle at the hating answers. I think Top was asking in a sincere child-like (why is the sky blue) sense, not in a I’m better than you way. Chill out… |
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| When Jerome's lake iced up he started fishing somewhere else and all of you are in the net. I wish it was that easy on the water.
Good job topH2O I can't wait to see what is next and I would think about getting reproduction of Guest #3.
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Location: The desert | bobbie - 11/28/2011 3:56 PM
When Jerome's lake iced up he started fishing somewhere else and all of you are in the net. I wish it was that easy on the water.
Good job topH2O I can't wait to see what is next and I would think about getting reproduction of Guest #3.
Hey, another guy who gets it!
Welcome to the club! |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I can't see what is wrong with hiring a guide or not hiring a guide. I can't see what is wrong with hiring a guide once or hiring the same guide a hundred times. Well - unless if you can't afford it or it really bothers your wife. Otherwise, to each his own.
Why get bothered if someone hires or does not hire a guide? What does it matter?
Its just fishing guys. |
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| Let's be honest... It just wouldn't be the same around here without the (usually anonymous) pot-stirrers, and it sure wouldn't be the same without the folks who get thair panties in a wad time and time again over the comments that someone they don't even know makes. It's probably the same guys who throw temper tantrums in the boat, breaking rods over missed fish and generally having a miserable time out there on the water every time the fish show them they aren't as good as they think they are. |
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| It all comes down to one thing....Does the guide want to see you catch fish and learn something about the waters you're on or are you paying for someone drive you around and then watch them fish. I had 3 guides in 5 days this summer and I've already booked two of them for next season.The other one...lets just say that when he asked me to net the first fish of the morning (for him)..the day was over ! Most guides are alot of fun and it only enhances the day when you're on fish..either seeing or catching. Also most guides like suggestions as it adds a different view point which keeps things interesting. |
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| This is all great info but I want to know what you are thowing G Rome |
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| I haven't seen one yet.......so I'm trying to picture what that hat logo would look like......
so many possibilities. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Ok, First of all I don't Hate anyone....... Let alone muskie people.
Read the first post...... I'm just asking a question...I'll break it down for you guys again.
Why do "seasoned" muskie anglers, that already know a certain body of water hire guides over and over again????????
These guys have their own boats,rods,lures,GPS/Sonar and have fished the same lakes dozens of times, so WHY do still hire a guide??..... that's all I asked, and I see that there are some pretty good answers that I didn't consider when I asked this question.
Dave W. I don't hate you. and the guest that directed me to the 60" fish that was just boated,...... That was his FIRST MUSKIE !
Again I'm talking about seasoned/good sticks hireing guides over and over again.
OH, by the way Dave W.,,, the reason why you like to have those "good sticks" in your boat yr. after yr. is because you don't have to work,as hard,.... Or be bothered by a "Newbe" as much,..... and other Guides,( if they are honest) will say the same thing.
I just asked an honest question that most people here gave an honest answere.
Thanks guys,......
Jerome
P.S. I found open water here on V, and will be out there untill Dec.1 |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | It sounds crude, but some people simply have too much money, and are too lazy to "do it themselves."
They may even be pretty good sticks, who knows. These are the types of guys that use all the excuses: the cost of a boat, truck, insurance, tackle, trailer maintenance, outboard maintenance, etc, etc. as to why they hire guides. Yet they have money for 30+ guide trips/year. HA. I call it BS.
Some guys don't want to put the "work" in to catch a fish. Actually having to land a boat, pinpoint fishing spots, control the boat, etc., it's too much for some (mostly EXTREME white collar guys.)
I think it says something about someone's work ethic in general.
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Location: The desert | MartinTD - 11/29/2011 3:04 PM
It sounds crude, but some people simply have too much money, and are too lazy to "do it themselves."
They may even be pretty good sticks, who knows. These are the types of guys that use all the excuses: the cost of a boat, truck, insurance, tackle, trailer maintenance, outboard maintenance, etc, etc. as to why they hire guides. Yet they have money for 30+ guide trips/year. HA. I call it BS.
Some guys don't want to put the "work" in to catch a fish. Actually having to land a boat, pinpoint fishing spots, control the boat, etc., it's too much for some (mostly EXTREME white collar guys.)
I think it says something about someone's work ethic in general.
I think you are talking about 1/10 of a percent of all musky anglers.
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Pointerpride102 - 11/29/2011 4:09 PM
MartinTD - 11/29/2011 3:04 PM
It sounds crude, but some people simply have too much money, and are too lazy to "do it themselves."
They may even be pretty good sticks, who knows. These are the types of guys that use all the excuses: the cost of a boat, truck, insurance, tackle, trailer maintenance, outboard maintenance, etc, etc. as to why they hire guides. Yet they have money for 30+ guide trips/year. HA. I call it BS.
Some guys don't want to put the "work" in to catch a fish. Actually having to land a boat, pinpoint fishing spots, control the boat, etc., it's too much for some (mostly EXTREME white collar guys.)
I think it says something about someone's work ethic in general.
I think you are talking about 1/10 of a percent of all musky anglers.
Maybe, but they're out there. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | doooooooooooooooooooooooood ... there are some "EXTREME white collar guys" ... who have to survive and thrive in the craziest of environments that make the woods and waters of the U.S. and Canada look like legoland. don't be a hater and label all the white collars with a broad brush so fast. lots of these "lazy" white collar guys experience wilder situations and places than you could ever imagine.
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | MartinTD - 11/29/2011 4:04 PM
It sounds crude, but some people simply have too much money, and are too lazy to "do it themselves."
They may even be pretty good sticks, who knows. These are the types of guys that use all the excuses: the cost of a boat, truck, insurance, tackle, trailer maintenance, outboard maintenance, etc, etc. as to why they hire guides. Yet they have money for 30+ guide trips/year. HA. I call it BS.
Some guys don't want to put the "work" in to catch a fish. Actually having to land a boat, pinpoint fishing spots, control the boat, etc., it's too much for some (mostly EXTREME white collar guys.)
I think it says something about someone's work ethic in general.
That's buying into the Class Warfare Argument! I guess you're in the 99% of "true" musky fishermen.
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Settle down Sled, I was referring to one individual that enlightened me just today. I went to college too and have been working in my field for 5 years.... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | martin ... we're recruitin a few good men to the football forums in the basement ... be sure to stop in. we lost our last bear, spartan and badger fans so need some new personalities down there. |
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Location: Des Moines IA | That's funny sled ..... Sad thing is Bears fans only have negative things to discuss, and who wants to do that over and over and over????? |
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Location: Smith Creek | Those people Martin describes exist, although in low numbers. I hear stories about someone offering a guide $1000 to catch a 50" muskie or 10,000 to blast a 200 inch buck on a game farm. .5% is probably pretty close for muskie fisherman.
I used to hire the same guide every year (he no longer guides otherwise I would continue to hire him). My dad hired his dad and his dad hired his dad and so on. Every year. They are our friends first and foremost, obviously good fisherman, and its nice to just sit back and fish sometimes instead of doing all the driving and boat control.
If you're friends with a carpenter you wouldn't expect him to help you build a deck for free. Same deal IMO. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'It sounds crude, but some people simply have too much money, and are too lazy to "do it themselves."
They may even be pretty good sticks, who knows. These are the types of guys that use all the excuses: the cost of a boat, truck, insurance, tackle, trailer maintenance, outboard maintenance, etc, etc. as to why they hire guides. Yet they have money for 30+ guide trips/year. HA. I call it BS.
Some guys don't want to put the "work" in to catch a fish. Actually having to land a boat, pinpoint fishing spots, control the boat, etc., it's too much for some (mostly EXTREME white collar guys.)
I think it says something about someone's work ethic in general.'
That has to be the most uninformed post I've read here in a long time.
Most folks who are well off and hired me as a guide are professional people. Most who hired me were career Officers in the Military, doctors, attorneys, Ceo/CFO/ owners of successful companies, financial professionals, etc. All of them worked very very hard, and played equally hard when they wished to. They didn't have the TIME to own a boat and fish like most of us, the 'rest of us' are defined as thier emplyees or those who wish they WERE those folks. |
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Location: Bloomer, Wi | i hire a a guide to take me on some big water with big white caps so i can just fish, not run the trolling motor and fish. JUST FISH. its relaxing and always take away some knowledge from the day with the guide.
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| I have done a couple guided trips and it was a great time - flyfishing trips.
Having said that - for me, finding the fish on my own is the attraction so I get more satisfaction from struggling or succeeding independently.
Everyone is different and fishes for different reasons. The right way to do it is the way that makes them the happiest - provided it is legal and ethical.
I applaud the guides for having the guts to start their own venture and do what they love. And they ain't gonna get rich - that's for sure.
If someone hires a guide to fish the same lake over and over, that is fine with me. I wouldn't do that but it doesn't mean it is wrong or questionable in some way.
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Location: Barrington, Il | I was going to leave this alone but feel the need to chime in. Its not too much money, its not enough time. I'm a business owner that had 2 companies and am merging into 1 this year. Time has been at a premium. All of my equipment and boat is at our cabin in Northern Wisconsin. Its easier for me to fish in Minnesota with a trusted guide, who has become a friend, than go north and pack up boat and everything for a few days of fishing. And a good guide dowes not fish the same water everyday but moves around to where he thinks the bite will be. |
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Location: Rhinelander. | EA send me a private message ok. |
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