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| I was wondering how the drag is on these reels. My partner owns one but I cant stand how the drag slips when he thorws plastic. I was wondering if this is normal for these reels? Thanks much Cody |
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Location: Probably Minnesota that time... | I have 3 of them, that I have used the past couple years, I have not had any drag issues.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Been using them since they came out ,untill late summer this year was my big rubber reel and no issues.... |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The Toro reels have a 6 disc drag system, 3 very large Carbontex washers and 3 metal drag washers. So if the drag slips then he over lube the the reel and lube has gotten in the drag system. Also on the drive shaft, the Toro has 4 metal Drag Spring washers as most Muskie reels only has 2. |
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| OK thank you much guys. I guess I will be getting one then. Pikemaster- I will have to tell him not to over lube it next time thanks.
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| Looking at the high speed for throwing rubber for the line pick up. Has anyone had any issues on the anti reverse failing or are they solid? Thanks once again guys.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I run a HS, not my prefered reel for rubber, to fast for my liking. I prefer the 5:4 or the 5:1 of my Calcutta, lets the baits stay down deeper. My partner swears by his Winch for rubber.. Can't argue with his sucess.... |
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| Yeah I was using my saltist for awhile and didn't have a problem since I got used to it. Also I liked being able to pick up line when I needed to. So if you haven't had any problems with it that may be the one I get. |
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| Samantha and I each have the 5.4:1 and the winch. (Hers are the 50 series)... We've got two seasons on the regular Toro's and 1 season on the winches. I wouldn't say we've had any "problems" with them, other than the fact that I neglected to tear them down and clean out the factory grease, which caused some minor noise issues. Here's what I can tell you. The 5.4:1 is great for most applications. If you're using it for double 10's, it is an effort to reel after about 4 hours. The winch, on the other hand, is effortless. Now, if you're looking for speed, you're whizzing up a tree with the Winch. It's VERY easy to crank, the resistance of the blades is nothing, even after 10 hours. But you're not going to get a lot of speed out of it. I ran into a situation this year where a fish ate out at the end of the cast, I set the hook, turned the fish, and it proceeded to swim right at me. I could feel the headhsakes while I was reeling like an idiot trying to catch up to the fish, but they can swim faster than I can reel. That's a fish I might have caught if I had a higher gear ratio reel. Can't blame the reel for doing what it was designed for, though.
So far, all four have proven to be comfortable, reliable, and one of the better reels we have owned. For the price, they ought to be.
Here is what I do NOT like:
1. You can't fill the spool all of the way. It's not a big deal, but didn't anyone actually fill the prototype up with line and try fishing with it?
2. The "power handle" is not a power handle at all. It's the same size as the double paddle handlle. Kind of defeats the purpose of a power handle.
3. Maintenance: Well, to start with you have to be a genius to figure out how to get the stupid thing apart. While the 6500 series reels weren't the best in terms of quality or durability, you could have one apart and back together in a few minutes. Whatever parts went bad could be switched easily and quickly and you'd be back to casting. Even a simple thing like oiling the worm gear is a challenge.
So far, the things that are wrong with them as far as design aren't dealbreakers, it's just stuff you look at and think: "Well, THAT'S dumb!" Designed by engineers, I suppose. Maybe that's a good thing. But maybe they ought to get some guys who actually FISH on the team, too. |
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| brewcrew - 10/24/2011 10:02 PM
Looking at the high speed for throwing rubber for the line pick up. Has anyone had any issues on the anti reverse failing or are they solid? Thanks once again guys.
Cody
I've used a Revo Toro 61HS for a couple seasons for mostly big/heavy gliders, ripping cranks, Cowgirl Jr's, and 10" Weagles. My anti-reverse went out last fall and again this August. It's a pain because you have to get a whole new side-plate, not just the roller clutch bearing, as they press it into the sideplate.
That said, I fish a LOT and this reel sees a lot of use and I couldn't be happier with it. I go through a lot of anti-reverse bearings...and no, it's not from engaging the reel while the lure is in the air. They all fail eventually in my experience. |
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| Cody-
I would stay away from the revo's for ripping big rubber. I bought a HS specifically for this purpose and the drag slipped everytime I ripped a dawg or pounder...sent it back to Abu and they told me the drag was fine. I tried it again and it still slipped. I don't think these reels have enough drag for the way I aggressively rip rubber. The Saltist 30 has been the best reel for me for this application. I have had the AR go out on one Saltist but that was after several months of abuse and catching a bunch of 45"-50"+ fish with a locked down drag. |
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| Nate- Glad you spoke up. I have a saltist 20 but was looking for a different reel after I destroyed it at Pewaukee by super ripping rubber. If you say the drag slips for you than it most likely will for me to. Guess I will have to look for something else. |
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| The revo toro has a max drag of around 22lbs (more than the saltist at 20lbs) none of mine slip when jerking big plastics, unless the drag is loose |
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Location: North/Central WI | Well...my revo's do slip when working big plastics...with the drag cranked down. My saltist 30 does not. I prefer to base my advice on actual "on-the-water" experience rather than the manufacturer's specifications. You might want to try a 30, Cody. I think it may hold up better than the 20. Another reel that many of my friends use for rubber with good luck is the Calcutta TE 700. |
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| brewcrew - 10/25/2011 4:17 PM
Nate- Glad you spoke up. I have a saltist 20 but was looking for a different reel after I destroyed it at Pewaukee by super ripping rubber. If you say the drag slips for you than it most likely will for me to. Guess I will have to look for something else.
Be interested to see of the drag slips because of grease or oil all over the drag washers. Aren't the carbon matrix drag washers supposed to be superior to the standard versions? |
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| I never had a problem with my Saltist 30 drag slipping, those things have amazing drags! Try thumbing the spool when you rip rubber baits too, takes some stress of the drag and anti-reverse. |
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| If you believe your drag is slipping be absolutely positive that the line isn't slipping on the spool. It happens with braided line especially when it gets wet. It's about impossible to distinguish between drag slippage and line/spool slippage when you are pulling hard on big baits. I put a turn or two of duct tape on the spool before spooling the line up. This provides the necessary friction to hold the line and spool together. You can pull a truck with my Toros. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | dogrodder that is a very good point, I will put down duct tape first, then spool a little line maybe 10 wraps then retape. Okuma says on there saltwater reels even if U are using Mono to tape !!!! Like I said before the Toro reels have a 6 washer drag system with 3 very large CARBONTEX drag washers, and on the drive shafts most reel only have 2 drag washer springs, Toro has 4. On factory reels ABU uses so much grease and oil that if U don't clean them out and reoil and grease, the drag system will get contamiated with lube and then will slip. On Muskie reels that U are ripping the Carbontex washers should be dry, do not use any drag grease on them. When you rip dawgs U have to use your thumb on the spool or your A/R Bearing will fail prematurely. If U are ripping big plastic all the time then get a 700TE or a Saltist but if U rip pounders only a week or two out of the year the Toro will be fine, anytime I can use a 10oz reel over a 20oz reel I will. One thing if U are casting Pounders don't tighten down the cast control knob, reset your spool brakes.
Toro reels stock have a fiber washer under the Main Gear, I replace the fiber one for a Carbontex one on all my Toro Reels, now I have 4 Carbontex drag washers.
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| "1. You can't fill the spool all of the way. It's not a big deal, but didn't anyone actually fill the prototype up with line and try fishing with it?
2. The "power handle" is not a power handle at all. It's the same size as the double paddle handlle. Kind of defeats the purpose of a power handle."
Why can't you fill the spool all the way up? I have all of my Toro's filled to the rim and I don't have any problems, what issues are you having with them?
IMHO a power handle is more about the actual grip you hold onto than the actual length of the handle. I like the line "the chain is only as strong as the weakest link" and when you look at the chain it takes to turn a reel handle from your back, your arm, your hand, and finally your fingers the fingers are the weakest link. With a standard handle you have the tips of one finger and your thumb tip on the handle. With a power handle you have almost your whole thumb and a lot of two fingers on the handle which causes less fatigue, at least to me it does. That said the "standard" handle on the Toro is longer than the standard handle on most other reels and even longer than the power handle on some reels.
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Location: North/Central WI | I have the line taped on all my reels, so line slippage was not the problem. I'm guessing there was grease/oil on the drag washers. I just think its kind of ridiculous that one has to do maintenance on a brand new reel to ensure it works properly. Finding this out now doesn't really help me too much...I sold the HS last season. |
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| Reelman, take a look at your line from the side. With a full spool, the line actually contacts the top of the line guide. A few more wraps and it rubs on the metal bar that runs the length of the side plate. |
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| esoxaddict - 10/27/2011 3:19 PM
Reelman, take a look at your line from the side. With a full spool, the line actually contacts the top of the line guide. A few more wraps and it rubs on the metal bar that runs the length of the side plate.
Sure you can fill it so full that it rubs the cross member but then the spool is over full, at least to my way of thinking. Many low profile reels have the top of the line guide lower than the top of the spool, I never knew it to cause a problem. I've never heard anyone say that Toro's don't cast well or that is causes a problem. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I get reels that I have to take off 20 -30 yards of line because it is so over filled. Guys get so hung up on line pickup, I never fill my spool past where the spool start to angle off.
I got a reel last week the guy said this reel will not cast far and the reel would grind and very hard to retrieve, all I had to do was take off about 30 yds of line and the reel was fine, DON'T OVERFILL plus they will backlash alot more being over filled.
I have a Super Tune Toro 50 and this reel will cast better then any reel I own !!!
Toro reels are one of the best casters because of the over sized spool bearings they have, and no long spool axle to slow them down or flex on hooksets. |
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Location: Denmark | There is a chance of ruin the drag washers of the Toro, if you follow the ABU maintenance instructions, adding oil through the hatch to lube the gears. Use grease instead.
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| NateOz - 10/26/2011 7:46 AM Well...my revo's do slip when working big plastics...with the drag cranked down. My saltist 30 does not. I prefer to base my advice on actual "on-the-water" experience rather than the manufacturer's specifications. You might want to try a 30, Cody. I think it may hold up better than the 20. Another reel that many of my friends use for rubber with good luck is the Calcutta TE 700. Nate- I will have to check out a 30. I just need something that is durable with good line pick up. As far as the TE goes it is about 150 bucks out of my price range ha. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | NateOz - 10/27/2011 2:22 PM
I have the line taped on all my reels, so line slippage was not the problem. I'm guessing there was grease/oil on the drag washers. I just think its kind of ridiculous that one has to do maintenance on a brand new reel to ensure it works properly. Finding this out now doesn't really help me too much...I sold the HS last season.
Most ABU reel have way to much grease and oil in them. Daiwa reels I find have very little lube in them. Shimano reels some are heavy and some have very little lube in them. Reel Company's will over lube a reel most of the time because they know that will not be service for years so a over lubed reel is better. |
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