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Location: Smith Creek | If that's how you justify buying stuff made overseas, fine. Maybe this will simplify: when you buy a St. Croix Premier, how much of that $200 ends up in China? How much ends up in Wisconsin? $100 for Gander rod how much ends up in China? I'm guessing more than the SC Premier.
**This post was typed on a U.S. made Gateway computer**
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What did anyone say about 'justification'? I don't need to justify anything to you.
Acer owns Gateway. I see from a quick look at the components most of the components are not US built, but the machine is assembled in the US if it's a build to order.
Toyota Tundra trucks are built in the US too. We had a contract with Toyota for a few years, and I drove a 2007 Tundra. Great truck. My son bought it.
Gateway's 'build to order' machines are assembled in the US, but the company is owned by Acer, a Multi-national firm headquartered in Taiwan.
'Acer announced revenue in Q1 rose 36 percent year-on-year to NT$162.1 billion (US$5.2 billion) and its net profit increased 63 percent to 3.29 billion New Taiwan dollars (US$104.7 million); 27 percent of revenue comes from the U.S.'
http://www.acer-group.com/public/
Global.
Economy.
The majority of the money 'created' from a Gander sale in the US if it's a Gander sourced product from overseas is US. Not much is left in China or Korea by percentage of the retail price of the rod. By the way, the US send tax dollars in the form of aid to both. Yes, we send aid to China.
One can help protect/reward the workers at the St Croix factory by buying the products they build, if one is so inclined. They already have jumped the fence on a few models, but the rest seem to be supporting the business pretty well. The key is to make the rods be perceived as 'superior quality' so the consumer is willing to pay the extra dollars. Some still won't be, and that's not going to get any better with the high quality coming from many US overseen factories overseas.
I believe I already said it isn't supposed to be fair. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Right. The shareholders and CEOs in the U.S. make the money from the overseas laborers. And the clerk who's selling the merchandise makes a couple bucks. Now suppose that clerk sells a U.S. made product? He gets a cut, the the shareholders and CEOs get their cut AND a couple U.S. laborers get a cut. Labor counts for what, 1 to 3 % of cost? I'd rather that go to my neighbor.
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| Back to the topic..... IMO get a Gander Mountain rod for 100 bucks cheaper. |
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| muskiemanAD - 9/13/2011 7:39 PM
Back to the topic..... IMO get a Gander Mountain rod for 100 bucks cheaper.
$100 cheaper?? The gander rod in question retails $150. I thought SC Premier line was more like $180 to $200 max. I agree on getting the Gander rod, just pointing out the price range. The higher end Gander series are not bottom of the line cheap rods and they definitely do not perform like that! They are good solid sticks, just not many people using them or aware of them as they were new a couple years ago and only available at select GM stores. |
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| I find all this "Buy an American car" BS !. You guys do realize that Nissan, Toyota etc... are actually built in the states right? they employ thousands of Americans at the plants, dealerships, service dept, sales etc...... then you have Ford who is building in Mexico, GM who is building in Canada.. This is a global economy. and these same people that like to preach "buy American" still have a TV made in china, a PC made in Mylasia, shoes made in Tiawan, etc..... For myself, I will find the best product i can for my dollar. Sure, St Croix makes a great rod, but i won't pay double for it when there are others out there for half the price that will suit my needs just as well. See the point? |
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If you don't want to by an American made fishing rod, or anything else made in America then that is your choice.
I'll try to keep Americans making the products I buy whenever I can. American workers making foriegn products here is great. I'll buy those too. I don't see any reason to pay for people to have jobs overseas when I don't have to. If there is a quality product that is put together in the USA I'll buy that first.
Call me silly but that just seems to make sense.
JS
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Location: NorthCentral WI | The real question then...
Assuming you have Product A and Product B and both products have equal quality.
Are you willing to pay $30 more for Product A because it's made in America? Maybe
Are you willing to pay $50 more for Product A because it's made in America? Doubtful
Are you willing to pay $100 more for Product A because it's made in America? He11 No!
I'd buy Product B and leave myself a few bucks for a couple new lures too.
By the way: If you answered yes to any of the scenarios, Do you belong to a labor union too? |
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Location: Smith Creek | The PM86HF can throw baits as light as 1 oz and as heavy as 9oz, has a 5 year warranty and a no hassle $50 repair or replacement plan for accidental damage or expired warranty. I've used mine for topwaters, bucktails of all sizes, and crankbaits and have absolutely no complaints. I would try a Gander rod but when the fishing dept. manager tells me he prefers St. Croix I don't feel the need. |
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| St. Croix has a better warranty. They also have a trade-in program which allows you to trade up rods. When the warranty runs out you can get a new rod for $50 bucks.
Regarding the subject of this thread, more money is well spent.
Regarding the subject of how much more money are you willing to pay for the same quality product USA vs. not USA?
There isn't a cut and dry answer to that for me.
I would rather not have the resources wasted to ship goods from overseas to the USA.
I would rather not see workers working in unsafe, unsanitary or otherwise unregulated conditions that we as a civilized nation have gotten away from.
I have my convictions and beliefs. They aren't the same as everyone elses here obviously.
To each his own. I think there is a much bigger picture than looking at the price point of 2 products that are of the same quality when regarding purchases.
Isn't that part of the "global economy" ? Looking at the bigger picture? Or does it just boil down to money and nothing else?
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Guest - 9/14/2011 12:56 PM
Isn't that part of the "global economy" ? Looking at the bigger picture? Or does it just boil down to money and nothing else?
JS
Of course, money makes the world go round. Oh, and Americans are greedy (myself included).  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | JS,
Obviously, resources are not 'wasted' when shipping goods. Your 'waste' is their fulfillment program. We use megatons of raw and semi-finished materials we cannot source from this country, but that's somehow OK to ship over here...right?
Let's see you grow good numbers of bananas in the US. Every banana eaten
is an apple left on the shelf. Stupid argument, but...there it is.
You might not be looking big picture, and are stereotyping in a most egregious fashion. The US has plenty of issues with unsafe work environments, too.
Of course it boils down to money. If it didn't, St Croix wouldn't be building any rods out of country...would they?
Sourcing product overseas doesn't cut the US off as far as making money for individuals, businesses, or corporations...or it wouldn't be happening. It does threaten manufacturing jobs in the US and has done irreparable damage to the old Union model we founded our industrial revolution final chapter upon. Back then, it was the US with the best price at the highest quality. Not all the time true anymore.
We have, in some cases, used technology and highly skilled employees to catch up and win back markets. In some cases foreign manufacturers ended up with a more expensive quality product. Look at Japan for many examples. With others, foreign governments have made sure we can't keep up. Look at solar energy panels for this example.
This too shall pass, as the rest of the world begins to catch up with their economic models. It's already happening with some products. |
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Yah I guess buying things made here really doesn't make any sense, how could I have bought into that myth.
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| I don't think thats the point. I just think to say buy only American is kind of silly. I don't think you could if you tried. Just because something is made in America doesn't make it better or lower priced. This is the example we are discussing with SC. They make good rods, but i refuse to spend $300+ on a rod when i can get other very good rods for $120 shipped, and buy 3 of them. I have tried the SC rods and just don't think they are worth that much money to me. Of course it comes down to money and what the consumer has to spend. In this economy how can it not? |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | St. Croix without a doubt. I have a few St. Croixs and a few Ganders. I used the Gander rods when I first started but they are no longer in working order. For the most part they served me well over the past 8 years but two of them have had issues (reel seat came apart and top guide came unwelded). They were not bad rods and at the time I bought them I thought they had lifetime warrantys but now Gander has really changed their return policy (IMO for the worse). BUT I also have three St. Croix rods and they have met and exceeded my expectations. I will also through a shout out to Tackle Industries. I picked up a 9' XH tele over the summer and really like it. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Yah I guess buying things made here really doesn't make any sense, how could I have bought into that myth.
JS'
Who said that? Do you wake up every morning and take a special pill to be that difficult? |
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| im not sure if they are the same rods for sale today but my 2 most used rods are gander rods made by st. Croixs i have a 8'6" xh and a 8'6" h and they are on their 4th season of about 100 days on the water each year |
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Location: MN | Guest - 9/15/2011 1:13 PM
im not sure if they are the same rods for sale today but my 2 most used rods are gander rods made by st. Croixs i have a 8'6" xh and a 8'6" h and they are on their 4th season of about 100 days on the water each year
St. Croix hasn't made ganders rods in 8 or 9 years. Who told you yours were? |
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Location: Wisconsin | Gander switched over in 94 or 95 if I remember correctly. It's been a while, but I was working at one of the stores when they made the switch (just before the first bankruptcy). Before that, the rods were made by St Croix and had lifetime warranties. |
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