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Location: Grand Forks ND | Fishing deep....I hear this a lot but seem to have trouble actually doing it. When most people are talking about fishing deep do they mean their lures are getting deep or are they casting the same lures just over deeper water?
What is the best way to "fish deep" while casting...using sinking lures and just counting them down?
When fishing deep would you position your boat shallow and cast out to the deeper water most of the time so your bait is following the breakline better from deep to shallow?
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Brian |
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Location: northern indiana | This could be understood a few different ways. To me, fishing deep is generally a post-spawn and fall tactic. When casting, I count down slow sinking glide baits along, but parallel to, steep drops with weeds. This tends to be the mid-fall pattern. Don't over look trolling deep running cranks neer schools of bait in the middle of deep holes either. Post-spawn, I like to work the outside edge of drops casting out into the deep working my baits slightly faster than i normally would. Not much info here but hope it helps a little. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | I suppose everyone has their own BST's on what to do where and when, but I think it all comes down to following the bait and if your privvy to how certain baitfish migrate seasonally, like suspending schools of perch following the chum line from a mayfly hatch... Suspendos are out to feed for the most part. Understanding how seasons affect the very bottom of the foodchain, and how each rung of the latter reacts to the next will increase your mental approach of when and where, but most importantly, WHY.
Don't limit yourself to a seasonal approach, like waiting till' fall to take advantage of a deep bite because it treated you well in the past. Everytime you catch a fish, reflect on the 5-why's as to how, where, when and why you caught that fish and theorize on potential patterns that may play off of the lesson you just learned. I'm not afraid to start in 40' of water on opening day if the compass points that way. This was a colder spring, so how did that affect the baitfish or the forages forage (perch following mayfly chumline)?
As far as casting approaches, again, it's all up to the moment you're out there? Is there big wind? If so, maybe concentrate on the lee side of a point with a steep edge, maybe the baitfish are refuging from the current. Is it dead flat calm and how have the temps been over the course of the last couple weeks leading up to now - Late May here in the southern half of Wisconsin can be a dynamite time of the year to target cisco inhabited lakes as that is usually the time of year when the temps will make a drastic jump and raise surface water temps sometimes 7 to 10 degrees in a matter of a day or two. Those cisco tend to react to that fluctuation and rise in the water column, but why, I don't entirely know for certain - maybe to eat the midge flies, water fleas or even the mayflies that hatched because of the "heat wave"?? Either way, this is a great time to get out in the last hour of light on a dead flat calm evening when you see the disturbances on the surface over 90' of water and throw a 10" Weagle or a Shallow Bulldawg, even a pair of blades.
Edited by Sam Ubl 7/28/2011 1:21 PM
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Location: Northern IL |
Hi Brian,
When someone with knowledge talks about fishing deep they are talking about lures being deep. A fish can be caught free running in water 8-10' or shallower but below that depth you better be on the bottom!
A sinking lure such a solid brass crack bait would be a good tool, anchor shallow and cast deep once a contact point has been located by trolling.
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| To me when I say fishing deep water is 35' and deeper. I also beleave you only need to get the hooks over the musky's head not in front of her nose. For example top water in 50' of water, I'm not looking for the fish on the bottom but the Ski that's suspended and active. But few fish deep water for musky. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | MuskyManiac09 - 7/28/2011 9:55 AM Fishing deep.... When most people are talking about fishing deep do they mean their lures are getting deep or are they casting the same lures just over deeper water?
I suppose I read over the intial question.. "Fishing Deep" would more than likely mean "getting down deep" with your lure, where as fishing over deep water is described with different phrases; Suspended Fishing, Basin Fishing, etc.
As far as when to get down after them, it's all relative to water temps, which can relate to seasons from a high level, but could depend on weather patterns during a particular season when you start getting into the details behind the why, when and where. Once you understand how musky and baitfish relate to temperatures in the water and why, applying that knowledge effectively has everything to do with the lake you're on. Typically, the Autumn angler will target deeper water as fall progresses because the water is generally warmer and richer in oxygen. The weedy flats often suffer from oxygen deprivation as they die off due to the cold, where as deeper weeds tend to remain healthier, longer, hence the migration to deeper water. Other lakes, like cisco based lakes, will have musky remaining shallow into those days that have bundled up as they feed on spawning cisco.
It's all about learning from the ground up. Learn your lakes forage base, how they respond to weather (migration patterns from deep to shallow) and why. Also learn how musky adapt to the same changes and why. Put the two together and you'll have more confidence as to when a good time would be to get your bait down deep or ride it high over the deeper water, similarly, when to fish shallow, either over deep water or shallow water. |
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