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Message Subject: Casting Efficiency
Consigliere
Posted 6/8/2011 1:22 PM (#501853)
Subject: Casting Efficiency




Posts: 114


Location: Kingston, Ontario
After a few trips out this year and trying a bunch of new baits one thing I've noticed is some baits are terrible for getting hung up on the leader when casting. Specifically, spinner baits and bucktail blades getting wrapped around the leader is a big one. Any tips or techniques that I could be using to improve the efficiency of either the casts themselves or the baits?
reelman
Posted 6/8/2011 2:11 PM (#501871 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency




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I've found my baits tangle less with solid wire leaders. Stranded and Floro leaders seem to tangle up more than solid wire.
Consigliere
Posted 6/8/2011 2:20 PM (#501874 - in reply to #501871)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency




Posts: 114


Location: Kingston, Ontario
Thanks for the tip. I have been using coated/strand and fluoro leaders to this point.
STUSHSKY
Posted 6/8/2011 2:40 PM (#501879 - in reply to #501874)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency




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i agree with the single strand leaders seeming to not get tangled as much. also, i always thumb the spool lightly maybe 10' or so before the bait hits the water to straighten it out from the leader. it has become a habit and i do it on all baits that i throw...
MuskyLureFreak
Posted 6/8/2011 3:20 PM (#501890 - in reply to #501879)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency




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STUSHSKY - 6/8/2011 2:40 PM

i agree with the single strand leaders seeming to not get tangled as much. also, i always thumb the spool lightly maybe 10' or so before the bait hits the water to straighten it out from the leader. it has become a habit and i do it on all baits that i throw...


same here.
Tackle Industries
Posted 6/8/2011 4:29 PM (#501917 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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Location: Land of the Musky
Use that thumb! Kicks the bait out before it hits the water. Good advice!
James
PIKEMASTER
Posted 6/8/2011 4:38 PM (#501920 - in reply to #501917)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
Tackle Industries - 6/8/2011 4:29 PM

Use that thumb! Kicks the bait out before it hits the water. Good advice!
James


Do what James says use your thumb to stop the bait before it hits the water, but don't engage your reel untill the spool is stop. GREAT ADVICE James
tswoboda
Posted 6/8/2011 5:00 PM (#501925 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency




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Yep, use your thumb and cast under control. Don't just fling your baits out there wildly. It will still happen with some baits but FAR less often.
jackson
Posted 6/9/2011 8:50 AM (#502022 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency




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Use your thumb to tighten down on the spool at the end of a cast. it straightens the bait out and you won't have any issues.
anthony102009
Posted 6/9/2011 11:22 PM (#502166 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: RE: Casting Efficiency




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Jim Saric stated in one of his books "A bucktail needs to be stopped in mid-air just before it enters the water, so the blade spins upon entry. This technique is called "synchronizing" a bucktail. This technique will result in many strikes in the first five feet of the retreive, prevent lure fouling and keep the lure above the cover."
musky chimes
Posted 6/10/2011 1:27 AM (#502171 - in reply to #502166)
Subject: RE: Casting Efficiency





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Thumb!!!
Consigliere
Posted 6/10/2011 6:01 PM (#502279 - in reply to #502171)
Subject: RE: Casting Efficiency




Posts: 114


Location: Kingston, Ontario
Thanks for the tips. Was out today and noticed major improvement by thumbing the reel to a stop as mentioned.
Ranger
Posted 6/24/2011 4:27 AM (#504244 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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If you are casting with ABU Ambassadeurs then be aware they have "a bearing on the left side and not on the other". When you cast and as the lure flys turn the reel counterclockwise 90* so the tension is on the bearing side. Have your thumb near the side of the spool to quickly stop the spool spin just as the lure hits the water.

Gotta have the tension set right first. To set the tension, loosen the knob until you lure just begins to free-fall from the tip of your rod dropping to the water at boatside. Better to have more than less tension when learning. Always listen/feel for that ugly sound/feel of the beginning of a birds nest and thump your thumb down on the spool as fast as possible.

If you do get a tangle, put your thumb on the base of the nest and push the line to one side then the other as you pull the tangle out. Tangles happen when line slips under line, the side to side thing helps the sunk line rise to the surface of the spool. Sometimes.
Ranger
Posted 6/24/2011 4:34 AM (#504245 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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I've added the second bearing to most of my reels, all ABU's, but I still have the old habit of turning the reel on a cast.
muskie! nut
Posted 6/24/2011 9:01 AM (#504279 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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Location: Yahara River Chain
Casting Efficiency?

Is that when you pass the rod from one hand to the other to reel?
Killerbug
Posted 6/24/2011 1:05 PM (#504324 - in reply to #504245)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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Location: Denmark
I have used ABU reels for tree decades now, and have not yet seen one with just one bearing. I owe some with only brass bushings, they cast and last better than anything else I have.

For casting efficiency, adjust the spool tension until the spool doesn't have any play, switch on all brakes, then let your thumb do the rest.
Ranger
Posted 6/26/2011 1:49 AM (#504458 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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Find the second bearing, killer.
Ranger
Posted 6/26/2011 1:58 AM (#504459 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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The spool has two but the worm gear has only one. It's the worm gear that is upgraded with a second bearing.
Ranger
Posted 6/26/2011 2:54 AM (#504461 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





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Here's the real deal, ya..if it fits the reel with a focus on the worm...

if one side has a bearing and the other a bushing then if you cast flat the spool unwinds faster on one side (bearing) than on the other (bushing) as the line flashes out side to side on the cast. Like turning the volume of your radio up and down and up and down, but in this case it's variation in tension as the lure flys due to the stated unequality. Solution, besides replacement of the bushing with another bearing, is to slowly twist my reel about 90* as the lure begins to fly, so all the tension/pressure is then placed downward on the single bearing, and the top of the worm gear spins free as possible within the bushing. This minimizes variation in spool spin on the cast.

That's what I was trying to say. Ya.
Killerbug
Posted 6/27/2011 7:38 AM (#504594 - in reply to #501853)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





Posts: 339


Location: Denmark
I don't really think it means much with baits over 3 oz, if the levelvind has a bearing at all. I cast just as far with my 30 years old ABU Ambassadør 5500, as with any other new reel(bearings here, there and everywhere). But I think the reel makes a nicer sound, if it has bearings in the levelvind.
Ifishskis
Posted 6/28/2011 9:37 AM (#504774 - in reply to #504461)
Subject: Re: Casting Efficiency





Posts: 395


Location: NW WI
If you want to add a bearing to the "other side" do you order the same bearing that's already in the reel and install it on the other side? We have 8 or so 6500's and I'd like to try this on a couple of them.

Thanks for the tip!
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