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sworrall |
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Posts: 32886 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | CPR with the boards works very well. Paul Hartman used that system for years very successfully. Yeah, the boards are not free, but a $4K investment into the resource that lasts for several years isn't that tough a pill to swallow. One COULD charge the cost of the board and the Team keeps it at the end of a event, too. Probably less an investment than half a tank of gasoline each if the boards are purchased in numbers. Muskie Bumper treated us really well....and builds a great product. Maybe there's a fear folks won't enter if they have to pay for the board. In 5 events, if the entry fee is raised by $10 an event to cover the boards, it's paid for. Maybe even $10 is too much, I don't know. I don't understand why events don't embrace the format. | ||
| CiscoKid |
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Posts: 1906 Location: Oconto Falls, WI | sworrall - 5/4/2011 7:41 PM CPR with the boards works very well. Paul Hartman used that system for years very successfully. Yeah, the boards are not free, but a $4K investment into the resource that lasts for several years isn't that tough a pill to swallow. One COULD charge the cost of the board and the Team keeps it at the end of a event, too. Probably less an investment than half a tank of gasoline each if the boards are purchased in numbers. Muskie Bumper treated us really well....and builds a great product. Maybe there's a fear folks won't enter if they have to pay for the board. In 5 events, if the entry fee is raised by $10 an event to cover the boards, it's paid for. Maybe even $10 is too much, I don't know. I don't understand why events don't embrace the format. Perhaps a cut into the bottom line (and not for the anglers)??? | ||
| Wisconsin Wade |
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Posts: 194 Location: Lincolnshire, IL | I have responded to a few posts. Muskie Addict says...Anyway, I would like to see them use a size limit slightly more reflective of the body of water. Allowing 30" fish to be counted on the Bay of Green only serves to pad the numbers. I don't think 36 or 40" is outside the realm of reasonable, but that's just MO. -Muskie-Addict- the BOB is a Muskies Inc. tournament, I think the lunge log for MI is 30”? Maybe 32”. Therefore that is the minimum measurement. And if everyone is playing under the same set of rules..what is the difference what the size limit is? Most of the tournament guys want to catch and register a bunch of fish. Just scroll down a few posts past yours and read the comments. Mikes Extrems says..Let us fish all day and the best anglers will win. Take some of the luck out of the two fish only crap. Judge boats will solve that issue along with the transport issues. -Mikes Extreme-Is there anything in the WMT rules that says if a legal musky is caught it has to be registered? If not, why not release the smaller musky and fish for a larger one to register? Roll the dice and work within the tournament format. Musky Brian says...The photo format seems to be working out just fine from the ones I have participated in and seen...Maybe this will be the spark that finally gets those wheels in motion once and for all sworrall says...CPR with the boards works very well -Musky Brian/sworrall-The photo format on the surface may be best for the health of the fish, BUT, Who verifies the “live” release. After all, it is a tournament and in some of them high dollar amounts are at stake. If a fish is not released alive, in many formats that angler and or team is done for the day. I think points are deducted in some circuits as well. Credit or points are given for a verified “live” release. Travis says...Perhaps a cut into the bottom line (and not for the anglers)??? -Travis-Yes, a definite cut into the bottom line. And if I had job of a tournament director, I would want to make money. Therefore, the cost would probably be passed along to the tournament anglers. I am OK with the tournament directors making as much money as they can and applaud them for the competitive angling venue. As an angler, if I feel the payouts aren’t in line with the entry fee, I wouldn’t fish that tournament. If the format of the WMT is changed and the great “sticks” are allowed to catch more fish, won’t that lead to higher mortality? More fish caught, more fish handled, etc. etc. Which is better or worse? 2 fish handled, transported, verified live release and the day is done or 8 fish handled and released unverified alive in a CPR format? I don’t know, just asking…I would venture to guess that the more fish that are handled the greater the risk of mortality. Judge boats are great but costly and on a large body of water given weather conditions can become ineffective. I get it. Everyone wants the format with the best payout on a fair playing field where we can catch as many as we are able to that won’t harm the fish. Or we are simply anti-tournament. Choose the tournament format that best suits your needs and ethics and enter them. If the numbers dwindle for certain events, the tournament organization will have to change the format or cease to exist. Edited by Wisconsin Wade 5/5/2011 10:31 AM | ||
| sworrall |
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Posts: 32886 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'If the format of the WMT is changed and the great “sticks” are allowed to catch more fish, won’t that lead to higher mortality? More fish caught, more fish handled, etc. etc. Which is better or worse? 2 fish handled, transported, verified live release and the day is done or 8 fish handled and released unverified alive in a CPR format? I don’t know, just asking…I would venture to guess that the more fish that are handled the greater the risk of mortality. ' I have yet to see a fish that couldn't swim away with either format. I have seen some fairly serious post catch mortality in one event, and it wasn't a WMT. Short answer is no, and an 8 fish day would be....outstanding; I won't even go into the fact on any other day on the water they are CPRing everything caught, and NOT transporting a single fish. No objections there...right? Look up the average mortality rate on artificials, and decrease that by the fact Muskie tournament anglers are very good and very fast at releasing the fish. Add transport, and call your local biologist and ask why a transported fish is reduced to possession and a immediate CPR'd fish is not.. | ||
| Wisconsin Wade |
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Posts: 194 Location: Lincolnshire, IL | sworrall - 5/5/2011 10:34 AM 'If the format of the WMT is changed and the great “sticks” are allowed to catch more fish, won’t that lead to higher mortality? More fish caught, more fish handled, etc. etc. Which is better or worse? 2 fish handled, transported, verified live release and the day is done or 8 fish handled and released unverified alive in a CPR format? I don’t know, just asking…I would venture to guess that the more fish that are handled the greater the risk of mortality. ' I have yet to see a fish that couldn't swim away with either format. I have seen some fairly serious post catch mortality in one event, and it wasn't a WMT. Short answer is no, and an 8 fish day would be....outstanding; I won't even go into the fact on any other day on the water they are CPRing everything caught, and NOT transporting a single fish. No objections there...right? Look up the average mortality rate on artificials, and decrease that by the fact Muskie tournament anglers are very good and very fast at releasing the fish. Add transport, and call your local biologist and ask why a transported fish is reduced to possession and a immediate CPR'd fish is not.. This thread morphed into a tournament thread, not any other day on the water, but tournament day on the water, which is much different because money is at stake. So my simple question is.."Who verifies the live release in the CPR format?" You would concur that some badly hooked fish will die not matter how fast they are released...right? Edited by Wisconsin Wade 5/5/2011 10:56 AM | ||
| sworrall |
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Posts: 32886 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Perhaps. Not enough to make it anything other than a random and basically moot objection. Ask Tom how many have died during his competitions TRANSPORTING them before release. 99.999999999999% will swim away. The issue is-- immediate release is better for the fish than waiting for a judge boat or transporting is. The WI and MN DNR biologists I have spoken to agree. Even with immediate release some waters are regulated where putting the fish on a board to measure if it's obviously not a legal is taking possession, and is technically not legal. . If you livewell the fish at all, in most areas you have taken possession of the fish. | ||
| Johnnie |
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Posts: 285 Location: NE Wisconsin | sworrall - 5/5/2011 6:41 PM Ask Tom how many have died during his competitions TRANSPORTING them before release. 99.999999999999% will swim away. 99.9999999999999% of deer gut shot with a 30-30 also will run away, but how many survive after a few days. | ||
| lambeau |
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99.9999999999999% of deer gut shot with a 30-30 also will run away, but how many survive after a few days. ummm...last time i checked we aren't SHOOTING the muskies. delayed mortality is a real factor and needs to be considered, but it's not the same as THAT. i hope the new regs in Wisconsin push the WMT to change formats. personally, i'd like to see it go to digital photo as it's the most fish-friendly verification method. however it looks, the change will be good for the fish, and i suspect it will actually also be good for the WMT...i know i'll fish more of their events once they do!
Edited by lambeau 5/5/2011 10:10 PM | |||
| Junkman |
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Posts: 1220 | The simple fact is that we keep getting better. More folks, read the magazines, follow the message boards, attend the seminars.....they use better equipment able to get a fish right to the boat, have the tools ready to make a good release, better understand the kind of net that allows for a fish to relax a bit better during the struggle. We do a beter job educating anglers to develop an appreciation for the resource and I see little or no opposition among us for the higher size limits that will guarantee a healthier and more challenging musky fishery. We clearly have some pet arguments about tournament regulations and what kind of rod and reel are best for pulling double cowgirls.....but by and large, I sense that even the most tournament skeptical among us sort of know that the guys who are fishing these things are musky guys first, and can make a proper release on the water with pretty much the same sort of efficency that you notice when they simply are putting thier boat in or out compared to the occassional anglers we all have to scratch our heads and wait for at the ramp. I guess what I am saying is that, "We are doing pretty good, basically" and we will do even better! Marty Forman | ||
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