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| I've been cut off twice this year because of fish rolling up in my line. I use 12 inch flouro leaders. Should I go with something longer? I have 65 power pro which I really like and I always check the first 3 or 4 feet of my line for week spots. |
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| I would think about using 80 or 100 pound super braid. Or you could try out Gregg Thomas' new hybrid leader system that has a longer leader that you actually tie directly to your line with a double uni knot and you can reel a portion of leader threw the eyes one your rod.
I have been using this new leader system for the last couple of weeks and have a half a dozen quality fish on it. Takes a bit of getting used to, but once I did I like it a lot of big blades. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Quite simply I would chalk it up to bad luck. I use 6-10” leaders and don’t have much issues with cut-offs. I have had one in like 10 years, and that was from a fish going away from me hard, drag didn’t slip, and the line went across the gill plate cover.
IMO going to heavier line may not help it much. If it’s going across their gill plate covers them things are sharp, and will cut the heavier line almost as easy.
My suggestion would be if the fish roll up in your line let up on the pressure some. It’s the pressure against the gill plate cover that is killing you.
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Location: Contrarian Island | yup, sh*t happens...I have had it happen 2 x in 17 yrs that I can think of...1 was a buddy had a fish eat a chopper on the L and immediately start barrell rolling...slice...
the other not sure if it rolled or what but went under the boat and poof clean break on the line.....it just happens...
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| id agree with travis, ease up on them when they start rolling, free spool n just watch the fun.
I actually landed a large fish that corkscrewed itself on the line quite a few times, and when we got it to the boat, the bait had popped out and was floating a foot or two away from the fish.
it was pretty much lasoed on the line. funny, exciting, nerve wracking!!!
sux to think about that fish swimmin around with a bait in its yap. but it happens. |
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| Iwas chalking it up to bad luck too. Just figured I would see if I could decrease my chances of it happening again. thanks for the help |
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Location: Madison Wi. Chain | I use a spider hitch knot to double up the line about three feet before the leader. This may help. BG |
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| Check that you are tying good knots be sure you are using a know that works good for braid
Many knots used in mono fishing are not really good with braid, use a manufactures recommended knot or check out the info available here and elsewhere online
Check your guides too hairline crack in ceramic or other guide liners can shear braided line. I had one cut line clean on a fish we hooked trolling
Good Luck
KJ |
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Location: WI | I wouldn't use anything less than 80lb braid. |
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| I had it happen on a 50"+ fish in 2006 with 80# Tuff line. I was trying not to rush the net job, because my wife was holding the net. The fish cork-screwed right next to the boat and sliced right through the line. It still makes me sick to think about, especially my favorite 10" Suick dog-boned in its jaw. I was thumbing the spool so there wasn't a lot of resistance; it just caught a sharp spot and was gone. That fish had at least 3 wraps around it when it happened, and with at LEAST a 32" girth it would have taken a pretty long leader to keep it protected.  Gotta love muskie fishing. Seriously though, a few months back I saw somewhere about splice-able super-braid line that was available, and the thought of being able to splice in an 8' section of 150# fluorocarbon could certainly stop stuff like this from happening. With splicing and no knot, you could simply reel the leader up through the guides without catching or anything. Not to mention, if you start with 8' and get a bad nick or something you could cut and re-tie the swivel several times. Essentially that 8' could last you many years of average fishing. Maybe the potential isn't what I think it is, but seems like a great deal to me. You could use the same leader for trolling that you do casting as well.
Ryan
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I used a Flouro leader once. Lost a fish after ten casts with the stupid thing. The fish came from the front, hit the leader in front of the lure, cut right through it like butter, and there went my best lure at the time. No way I'd ever use a Flouro leader again. I have since gone to nothing but piano wire.
I recommend losing the flouro leader and start using a steel leader of some sort. I would also go to at least 80 lb line. 65 is a little on the light side.
Also, if they roll, ease up on them and play them lightly. The line gets in the gill plates and any amount of tension will cut right through most lines.
Good luck. |
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| I would never use anything but wire. After catching a 51 with only the leader in its mouth I thinks its a crazy option. Go back to wire leaders and braid and you will never have a problem. |
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| I assume that the line cut beyond the leader correct? If so going away from flouro wouldn't do squat. I also question why the reason for nothing lower than 80#? I have been using 65# since I started 15+ years ago, and I don't have issues with it.
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| Yes, and wire can kink and break on fish with the same probability that 150#+ fluoro can be cut. Every component has a certain probability to fail. I believe I've heard DougJ say that he's used the same fluoro leader for a couple years now. That's not a quote by any means, and may not be accurate, but lots of fish are caught on both wire and fluoro.
I've seen smaller diameter fluoro get bit off and I've seen wire break. There are a lot of variables to decide which is best for you and each application.
Edited by Fishwizard 8/13/2010 6:27 PM
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| Yea it was cut beyond my leader. I use the palomar knot, checked my guides and line for bad spots religiously. I have confidence in my flouro leaders so I won't be changing that. I may get some 150# stealth leaders just to beef up a little. I've caught mutiple fish this year on the same leaders so again im not so worried about them.
I will have to remember to free spool the next time this happens. Looking back this is probably what got me in trouble in the first place. |
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| Is it the line or the leader that breaks? |
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| kevinj - 8/13/2010 11:40 AM
Check that you are tying good knots be sure you are using a know that works good for braid
Many knots used in mono fishing are not really good with braid, use a manufactures recommended knot or check out the info available here and elsewhere online
Check your guides too hairline crack in ceramic or other guide liners can shear braided line. I had one cut line clean on a fish we hooked trolling
Good Luck
KJ
I would tend to do more investigation on this. It is hard for me to believe that this happened without cause. Yes, muskies occassionally cut a line on the gills, but it is a rare occurrence, happening like this goes way against the laws of probability. I would check things out really well again before going on, so I'm with kevin, recheck the guides and check them under pressure, both sides. Also, make sure you are tying your knot correctly, and that the line isn't from a bad spool, before writing it off to coincidence.
It would certainly have me scratching my head and going over everything suspiciously. |
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| I've only had one leader failure in the past 7 years and it was piano wire. I have a flouro leader that has over 20 fish on it this season alone.
"Stuff" happens. About 5 years ago a fluky run happened where three consecutive fish that were hooked by myself or boat partners cut line by rolling over it. One charged the boat, dove down at boatside, rolled over and headed back out...poof, gone. Another was headed for the net and it just started going ape, rolled over the line and...poof, gone. The third went airborne about 20 feet from the boat, hit the water, dove down, surfaced and started thrashing around on top...poof, gone. This stuff is part of the game. Each of those three times it was 100 pound superbraid, wire leaders, and a crankbait, a bucktail, and a pacemaker. The best we can do is make sure our equipment is in good working order, your line isn't frayed, your leaders aren't nicked or kinked, and your snap/split ring/etc. isn't weakened by wear. |
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| The line...no leader problems |
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