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| are flouro carb leaders invisable at night?? or can they be seen from below against the night sky??
was wondering for night fishing .
bob
Edited by barbless-bob 3/18/2010 12:06 PM
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Hop in the water and take a look.
I don't think it matters. Fish are caught on flouro at night all the time. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | I wouldn't think it would matter. |
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Location: The desert | Are they invisible during the day? I can see them, how else could I tie one on? |
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Location: MN | Just so the muskies can't see my leader I throw my baits into the water with no line tied on. I know when I get one when they float to the top. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | muskies don't care about the leader... |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I'll try to be less of a smarta$$.  If fluoro is the least visible leader in water during daylight, I would have to assume it's probably not going to show up very easily at night either.
Saying that, I would really doubt a musky would notice ANY leader at night. During the day? Not sure what my opinion is on that yet, but I did switch to homemade fluoro leaders last year and was happy with them.
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| Bob, I think most things are invisible in the dark. Just sayin'...
That said, I use flouro almost exclusively. I doubt the that visibility is much of a factor, but the fact that it's neutrally buoyant and very flexible to me is good enough reason to use it, especially when using smaller lures where the action can be affected by using a heavy wire leader.
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Location: Oshkosh | Im with Brad on this one. Look at all the fish that are caught on the 8, right next to the boat, with you staring at them, and then you take your rod and jam it into the water right in front of them. If that doesnt bother them, I dont think a thin leader will bother them.
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| to all the smart a$$'s out there
this was just a general question
i know muskies don't care, but i do
something for me to put in my back pocket
thanks to the few that have where willing to entertain me
when i cast i prefer to work with wire, more so at night ,
less chance of fouled baits
sorry i asked a question a few of you where unable to answer
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Flouro leaders started out with trollers, and have since become popular in the casting world. While Brad is right, musky really don't care about leaders, I too have joined the band wagon and use them for big rubber a couple other applications because they suit my needs and influence the retrieve IMO. I think after our mega dicussion a few weeks back on color choices at night, it's safe to say neither leader will show up in a muskie's vision at night. That said, use what's appropriate for your lure choice or what you're comfortable with.
Edited by Sam Ubl 3/18/2010 3:08 PM
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Location: Contrarian Island | i've used fluoro since about 04 and haven't noticed they foul baits any more or any less... ie. i rarely get a fouled bait...maybe a dawg ball here and there...but 180 fluoro is not that flimsy to foul a bait....
Edited by BNelson 3/18/2010 4:11 PM
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| Agree with Brad. Leader colors really do not matter.
What does matter is boat control, lure selection, and presentation.
I primarily use flouro at night, but have caught numerous muskies on single strand wire at night.
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| I read a report from Tackletour.com a year ago or so and they actually compared about 8-10 flourocarbon lines with regular Trilene mono and the results were pretty eye-opening, especially regarding what you could see in the water. They put all the lines side-by-side in a pool and it was very difficult to tell the difference between any of the flouro or mono. It was also interesting when looking at the differences regarding sink rate, abrasion resistance, etc. I definately feel there is a difference between flouro and mono but after reading that unbiased report it left me with alot of questions. I still use stealth flouro leaders for many applications, however, I think too much is read into how fast a line sinks or what a fish can actually see. I believe that the make up of flouro is more abrasion resistant and probably holds up better than mono for muskie fishing. |
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| thanks for the replies
for the people that use flouro at night , how does the line effect/ work your bait any diff then steel??
tring to figure out why you would use it.
i was on the understanding that the wire was the only choice ,i'm a little behind the times here.
i guess thats what happens when you hit 50  |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I would say I haven't noticed any big differences in how fluoro works a bait compared to a solid wire leader. With the straight retrieve baits commonly used at night I would say there really isn't any difference. I suppose you could say the baits will run a little shallower with fluoro since it's thicker, but I doubt you'd really notice much of a difference with most baits.
The benefit to fluoro over steel besides visibility is surprisingly durability/longer life. Sure, you might have to change your fluoro leader after a fish or two, BUT if you catch a northern or smallmouth, your leader won't kink. If you get a "dawg ball" or something that tangles up in your leader, it also won't get all bent and kinked up. I think that's the reason a lo of guys have switched to fluoro. Unless a musky nicks it up, you rarely have to replace a fluoro leader.
curleytail
Edited by curleytail 3/18/2010 8:59 PM
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| It depends on what you are fishing, if you are using saltwater gear to burn large bucktails probably doesn't matter....that is pretty much speed trolling for the most part...if you are casting baits that require a more skilled presentation then flouro vs steel makes a difference...BR |
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Location: Contrarian Island | BenR ....how so?
I have been exclusively fluoro for 6 yrs...I feel I can work any bait, with any presentation as good as any other leader I could choose... also, I have leaders that have as many as 25 fish on one leader...as long as it isn't nicked up deep into the leader it stays on...180 lb fluoro is what I use
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| BNelson - 3/18/2010 10:15 PM
BenR ....how so?
I have been exclusively fluoro for 6 yrs...I feel I can work any bait, with any presentation as good as any other leader I could choose... also, I have leaders that have as many as 25 fish on one leader...as long as it isn't nicked up deep into the leader it stays on...180 lb fluoro is what I use...100% on all rods ...with hundreds and hundreds of fish on them
I was saying that fluoro was beneficial...BR |
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Location: Contrarian Island | gotcha...thought you meant wire had some sort of advantage.... |
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| BNelson - 3/18/2010 10:24 PM
gotcha...thought you meant wire had some sort of advantage....
Nope, I agree with you...BR |
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| first off, yeah, fish dont care what your leader looks like.
I will say that wire and fluro both have their advantages,
I use both all the time, depending on the baits I throw with them.
I like using a wire for getting somewhat of a hinge point on a bait,
almost more of a snap when you go to hit it again. as the bait moves forward,
your leader swings to the side, or sinks downward.
I'll use a wire leader on a bait that I really want to dance around
like a drunk at a wedding, or a fluro for a bait that has almost too much
awesome action. put a wire leader on one of those crazy baits,
and you can end up turning it 180, and foul the bait out. during the retrieve that is.
think its called checking your rear-view mirror
dont know if that makes sense or not to ya,
I will almost always throw a bait with each kind just to see which I like better,
but i really feel that each has its own place, love using both,
fluro holds up awesome, so does wire, just check them after every fish.
now that being said, I havent experimented much with fluro as thick as BN uses,
thickest I go is 100-130lb, so maybe using the 180 is getting the best of both worlds? |
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| so what is the length of your flouro??
someone gave me some 12" ones which has sat in my "spare parts been" for a few yrs
would that be good enough??
i have access to custom leaders thru people i know so length is non issue as far as getting them
i make my own wire , thickness is based on the action i want from my bait
some very good points have been raised regarding the use of flouro
i will be using it this summer and with a few experiments as mentioned in the posts |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I would say 12" is a pretty standard length for them. That about what I try to make mine. I suppose you could go a touch shorter if you wanted, and lots of guys make 3-4 footers for trolling.
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