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| I ran into this problem today on Pewaukee Lake. I was trolling since early this morning and around 10:00 am there was a sail boat race starting so I picked up and moved away from the markers they were placing in the lake. The whole time I listened to judge boats 1,2,3 and 4 talk about the wind and the placement of the markers on my marine radio. I was trolling up the north shore as close to shore as I could get and one of the sail boats (V-3) cut in front of my boat within 25 to 34 feet of me then turned as soon as he passed me and ran across my lines. He was only 30 feet behind my boat because my board on the inside was out 40 foot. This boat claimed he had the right away. Now I held my speed and direction the whole time this was happining. I lost one bait and picked up the rest of my equipment and called for judge boats 1,2,3,4 and explained what just happened. There was at least 15 people that could here what just happened that were on the judge boats and no one would give me the name of the skipper of the boat. Now the letter V is for Pewaukee lake boats and my parents still belong to the pewaukee yacht club and the info I neededwould not be hard to find. I drove up to the head judge boat and asked who V-3 was. To my amazement i knew two of the people on the boat and they gave me his name. Coleman H Norris who lives on Beach Park.
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| Here is the rest of the thread.
My question is what should we do as fisherman to avoid this type of problems. Note that I picked up once and relocated over a mile from the markers. What right do we have? Are we ar the mercy of the sailors because they have "right a way". What else could i do but remain on corse and maintain the same speed so they can judge when to turn. I counted over 30 boats that were in the race and he was the only boat to do anything stupid like that. In case you don't know the A-scows are one of the biggest sailboats to race on inland lakes and can go as fast as most motor boats. Last year a fellow fisherman Randy P. got his lines ran over and all cut in the same situation. What are we to do? What are our rights? I have sailed and understand the concept of sailing. I do know that what he did was or should be against the law. I have a 24 foot boat counting the motor and this sail boat is mush larger than my boat. For that size of boat to come within 30 foot of the front and back of my boat is uncalled for. I have already sent him a letter via e-mail and asked him to meet with me or call me to iron out this boat problem. What do you guys think about this? [:blackeye:] |
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| We used to run into this problem on Lake Michigan all of the time. Unfortunately the regs state that any boat under power must yield to any boat that is not....such as a rag boat. We already had them take out our planer boards and all the lines attached to them. Even if they don't know how to control their ship, they still have the right of way.
So tie your sweater around your neck and hoist your jism mast!!
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| Never been harassed by the sail boats but have by the judge boats there. Is there an ordinance that gives them the right to take up that space or is it a snob thing. I say sink all their boston whalers. Actually, call the dnr and turn him in. That is what I would do and if they don't have the right of way, he don't win, as a matter of fact he comes in last. |
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| Hows this for a double standard with sail boats,,,we have nice muskie lakes right in downtown Minneapolis,,The lakes are electric motor only for fishing so has to keep the noise level down for area ressidents,,thats fine,makes sense,,,but sail boaters get to use outoards to go out to there sailboats that are moored to booys,,and in their races or 'regattas',,they get to shoot off a starting cannon thats louder then a desert storm tank |
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| Todd I sent him a long letter and asked him to meet with me. I know who he is and where he lives. He is one of the richest poeple on Pewaukee Lake and he knows my family, my uncle don lives two doors down from him. So far I have not recieved and contact back from him. There is a permit that is needed to hold these races that the DNR controls. I don't want to cause any trouble with anyone else but he will not get off so ease. I will stop over at his house if he neglects to call or e-mail me. Bottom line is that was unsafe and completely uncalled for. He did it to piss me off. For me and the rest of the fisherman on Pewaukee Lake I feel I need to get face to face with this snob and straighten him out. |
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| As I understand it, it's a powered vs. non-powered deal, with non-powered having the right of way according to coast guard regulations. the logic being that a powered boat can easily modify course and direction, while a non-powered craft are subject to the whim of the wind. An extreme example of this is some dork with a Hobie cat and an oil tanker. Technically the Hobie has teh right of way, but realistically, unless the little cucksocker has a death wish, it's a bad idea to invoke it, if you know what I mean. I'd compare it to pedestrians with crosswalks. If a ped is in a crosswalk, he has the right of way and the vehicle is required to stop. Common sense and common courtesy says they should look both ways before they cross and wait for an opening, but there are people who are so caught up in their rights that they just barge right out there and invoke their right of way. |
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| Mike,
If you would read the boating reg's on page 14 it will give you the answer that your looking for. |
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| Put a sail on your boat and run the race with them, pulling 6 planner boards. Then who has the right away![;)] |
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| Speaking from someone who has been on a crew and also races windsurfers, I sympathis with you, but in the end your hosed. On the defence of the boat being out from the pack, it is a gamble many sailors do in order to find (hopefully) clean wind to gain ground. Also speaking from experience, when racing most people don't care about anything else on the water. Like fishermen in a tournament, these people payed a fee to have access to the lake for their event. If you don't like it, as much as it sucks your SOL. Just fish somewhere else till the end. |
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| Treats I sailed for years and know sailing very well but if you were in my boat at the time you would not have believed it. I already picked up and moved as far as I could and still they got me. Best bet is to leave the lake for a while and come back later. This only is a problem when the fish go deep and casting is not much of an option for high percentage fishing. Looks like they win. The funny thing is this weekend my family is hosting the lobster boil at the yacht club this weekend so there will be some conversation about this there. We have belonged to the PYC(Pewaukee Yacht Club) for over 40 years and have ran this fund raiser for over 25 years. I will most likely be cooking that boats food that night. So far they are not on the list as of yesterday. At least there will be some good to come out of this situation. I know that I will not be looked at as the bad guy, all the judges and people I talked to have tried to make up for the situation and all of us want the same thing. Equal use of the lake and to enjoy it without problems.[;)] |
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| I'd say give him hell, but don't try to argue right of way in any discussion, base your point on common decency and courtesy. |
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| Actually you'll have them right where you want them: in charge of cooking their shellfish. Oh what's that you say? To hell with me?!?!?! OK I guess your right [:halo:] , would you like another helping[:devil:] .
I put up with the same think here on tonka and have just come accepted it and move to another bay. It's not worth putting up with in my opinion. |
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| I'll take sail boats over jet skis any day of the weak.
good hunting
mike |
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| I like the line from the "Tommy Boy" movie with Chris Farley:
"I know where you live, I've seen where you sleep, and as God is my witness you mother will cry when she sees what I've done to you!"
You'll make your point, I'm sure. mm[:bigsmile:] |
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| I actually had a Small Sailboat hit me ( No Damage other than a minor scratch )In my old boat while I was anchored, the jerk claimed that he had the right of way because he was under sail and I had a motor so I should have moved
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| Last night I recieved a call from the head of the Pewaukee Lake Sailing Association. Surprised to find out that I went to school with him and plow snow for his parents. I knew he sailed and was in the race but didn't know he was in charge of the whole thing. We talked for over a hour and things are going to get worked out. The guy that did this to me was hired by the owner of the boat to win at all costs. He is from Minatonka Lake Mn. Todd Haines(PYC chairman)promised that things were going to change for the better, I explained a few things that would help us and he explained a few things that would help them. Im glad to see a happy ending to this problem. As for Coleman I have still not recieved any reply and cant wait to see him in person. He is not very well liked in the sailing assotiation because he is buying his way up to the top. Hope this can spread to other lakes and we can all use the lakes together without to much problems. Understanding each others needs on the lake is the key to getting along. I did recieve a call last night from another guide from Pewaukee and he said he contacted the DNR and the police about the problems he had with the races. He guides full time and its his only income. He has to deal with this problem more than I do. I have a full time job and guide after work and on the weekends. [;)] |
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