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You are absolutely right, we do need to protect us from oursleves.
And as more pressure is put on any resource we have as our population grows there will be more protection needed.
To all of you in the "we don't need more regs" crowd, please explain to me how you will make sure our resources are protected without regulations.
Also, just what exactly are you going to do to make that a reality?
(And the room goes silent.)
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Location: Otsego, MN | Season still has a day and a half left, quit whining and go fishing if you can't stand the season closing tomorrow! We have hands down the best muskie fishing in the United States in MN, the DNR must be doing something right. Let is go and just let the muskies rest over the next 6 months.They are a limitied resource the way it is, and the pressure and pounding on them gets worse yearly with added anglers. There are plenty of other nice fish to go and catch in our state, and if you really want some muskies go South.
Thank you DNR, Muskies inc, Muskie Treats, and all you others out there that give us such a great fishery.
Happy Holidays, cheer up and be nice to each other people!
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| Pedro - 11/29/2009 1:57 PM
Season still has a day and a half left, quit whining and go fishing if you can't stand the season closing tomorrow! We have hands down the best muskie fishing in the United States in MN, the DNR must be doing something right.
Debatable point. Depends a lot on how you define the best muskie fishing. I would think many wouldn't agree.
On the point of the season closing, seasonal refuge will NOT hurt the resource.
Wish they would close the season down here for the summer months.
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| Here's how it was happening, guys would be over the deep crappie holes in the winter and as guys would pull the little crappies up at warp speed from 40+ ft and it would explode thier air blatter not letting them go down. So being muskies are natrually drawn to easy struggling prey this was when ice fishermen were seeing them just under the ice and started useing single hooks with suckers to catch them. This was going on on allot of lakes with good crappie bases french just happened to have the most come out of it. I've heard between 30 to 50 in a season with a quite a few in the 40 lb class. So if you are mad about the close and are mad about it costing you a fish or 2 look at the big picture and think how many fish this is saveing and how it may let you ultimately catch more fish in the future.
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Location: Twin Cities | Frozen... - 11/28/2009 9:52 PM Which lakes are currently frozen and which are not? Good test as it is almost 12/1... One year is not a good test, you need to look at the average's over many years.
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| JRedig - 11/29/2009 9:17 PM
Frozen... - 11/28/2009 9:52 PM Which lakes are currently frozen and which are not? Good test as it is almost 12/1... One year is not a good test, you need to look at the average's over many years.
Actually I am good with looking at the current year, the irony is classic...Al Franken would be proud:) |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Gents,
If you wish to debate the Dec 1 close one way or another, have at it, but please proceed without politics, profanity, or personal attacks. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | John,
First, I believe the comment you were responding to was not to 'over' regulate, not that no new regulation is needed. Certainly debatable, but...Context.
Second, if new regulations are truly needed, the active members of the Muskie community and the DNR will make sure they hash out the particulars and find a common ground resolution. That's what's happened so far, right? And, that happens in WI, IL, IA, OH, MI, ON, UT, and other areas where the muskie community is involved and works together with the Ministries and Departments of Natural Resources. Admittedly some of you are very active and should be proud you are, but so are many elsewhere out of your direct regional 'reality', in short; you folks are not unique in that manner, and didn't 'invent' the concept. As a result, there's quite a few of us that 'get it' just fine and have been working hard for muskie conservation issues for as long as 35 years and more locally, regionally, and even internationally without your boot print involved anywhere on our virtual anatomy. |
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My take on the context was that more regualtions is an inevitable down-hill slide leading to not being able to fish at all.
So, my response is that if regs aren't the answer than what is.
If you are against regs than you should have a different solution, if you don't than you are just perpetuating the problem.
I'm pretty sure the people on this thread that are "reg" and MI bashing aren't the ones that deserve accolades for "helping out" behind the scenes here (MN) or anywhere else.
I'm also pretty sure that myself and others realize many people out there do lots to help out in many different ways.
JS
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| well for all you guys in the metro who still want to fish in dec,,,the St Croix is open for muskie till March if I remember right,,lots of water there |
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| Steve, I can't help but think that some of your previous two posts were directed at me. First, I apologize for the profanity. I came home from family Thanksgiving and may have had a whiskey or two in me. I came on here and this thread really struck a chord with me. To respond to your comment about the involvement from people well before and well outside our area, that is without question. I am fairly new to the sport, but I have a pretty good idea of a few names that have helped progress the sport of muskie fishing all over their range. We wouldn't have what we have without them. However, the sad fact is there is going to be a fight to keep this resource even at the level it is at right now in MN. Not to get too far off topic, but the meeting I attended was about the future lakes that MAY get stocked with muskellunge according to the long range plan. I went in thinking we will have 8 new lakes in this State by 2020. Now I am not sure we will get one. The detractors are fairly organized and seem to be more dedicated to fighting future stockings than the "muskie community" is at helping the cause. The past work is without question invaluable to what we have, but there is a ton of work yet to be done. I can't help but think that some of your comments in your second post are directed to a post that you have deleted, because I am not sure I understand the context.
What does all of this have to do with the closing? The closing was put in place to protect the resource. From my understanding there was a large amount of harvest going on in certain lakes during this time of year. To make the fishing better for all it means sacrifice by a few. I think some people need to realize that not everything is about them. I am just as bummed about the season closing, but life will go on. The fly rod has been out and trout have been chased. Ice fishing is just around the corner. Is it the same as muskie fishing? .......nope, but sometimes what is good for you isn't best for everyone. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | You are absolutely right, we do need to protect us from oursleves.
And as more pressure is put on any resource we have as our population grows there will be more protection needed.
'To all of you in the "we don't need more regs" crowd, please explain to me how you will make sure our resources are protected without regulations.
Also, just what exactly are you going to do to make that a reality?
(And the room goes silent.)
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My take on the context was that more regualtions is an inevitable down-hill slide leading to not being able to fish at all.
So, my response is that if regs aren't the answer than what is.
If you are against regs than you should have a different solution, if you don't than you are just perpetuating the problem.
I'm pretty sure the people on this thread that are "reg" and MI bashing aren't the ones that deserve accolades for "helping out" behind the scenes here (MN) or anywhere else.
I'm also pretty sure that myself and others realize many people out there do lots to help out in many different ways.
JS
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This is a pretty big 'room', and you didn't exclude the rest of us from your points.
Show me a bash on MI. I read it as what MI did to influence the decision and why and whether the persons pointing that out felt that was a good idea or not and a following debate, not a 'bash'.
I don't think it's inevitable at all that state fisheries regulations will lead to us 'not fishing'.
I see protective regs that limit the season to protect a fishery from abuse by another water use group that has some punch, too. That, to me at least, seems like a victory. Sure, it limits access to the Muskies some, but not during what anyone would call a 'normal' winter freeze up pattern for over there.
MD, No worries, I saw the frustration and understand it pretty well. |
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Location: MPLS, MN | Are people too stupid to understand a reg that closes the season when the lake is iced over? The book could state that Musky season closes at ice up. Musky fishing through the ice is unlawful. Seems like a win-win. I do think if it's all or nothing I'm glad it closes Dec 1 rather than legal to catch/keep fish through the ice. |
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Location: New Hope MN | so... if a musky grabs my sucker while I'm pike fishing and I catch it, does that make me a criminal?
Public resources bring up some very interesting/sad debates. Everyone thinks it belogns to them...
Someday, when i win lotto, I'll stock my own man-made private lake with ski's. I'll fish em all year long (except spring) and all you buggers will be jealous. |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Muskydeciever, if you were at the TC general meeting in Nov, we announced that there is 3 new lakes planned for stocking, 1 was tetonka, 2 others I forget their name. There will be posting on their boat landing this years, for public awareness, and hopefully stocked next fall or the following spring, a big step forward.
In reality what does this law impact a few fisherman, like stated most lakes are locked tight by now, except for few metro lakes. Most people were not happy with the choice of the 1st, but that was what was chosen by the DNR for simpler management of regulations. As most complainers about this and sucker laws, will choose not to follow the letter of the law and will be fishing for them after close, and simply state they are fishing northern. When the is a very low population on these waters, and would bet they catch more muskies than northerns on these bodies. I think i have caught one northern on these lakes in years. This was done again to protect the fish, from harvest of first ice, lots of big fish went for sled rides and not with santa.
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| Troyz. - 11/30/2009 6:20 PM
Muskydeciever, if you were at the TC general meeting in Nov, we announced that there is 3 new lakes planned for stocking, 1 was tetonka, 2 others I forget their name. There will be posting on their boat landing this years, for public awareness, and hopefully stocked next fall or the following spring, a big step forward.
Troyz
My understanding is this doesn't mean they are going to be stocked. |
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| No it doesn't mean they will be stocked but all musky anglers in MN should keep an eye out for the public meetings and voice their oppinions becouse the opposition certainly will. This is importaint, as is saving fisheries. There are 4 proposals out right now but they are only drafts as of now but the same guys that you are calling a-holes over the season close are also the same ones fighting and spending countless time and dollars trying to get you guys some new waters through out the state.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | dtaijo174, no it's not unlawful to catch a muskie on a tip-up. However it is unlawful to bonk said fish and take it home with you. That's the whole point of this law: to eliminate harvest.
What the people on this and other message boards need to realize is that "we" are on the extreme side of the sport (muskie fishing) compared to John Q Public. Most people don't have the same C&R ethic, handling experience, understanding of the fishes biology, etc. These people are the MAJORITY of anglers out there and they are the ones that we have these regulations for. Yes, yes "education is the key" is the mantra always thrown around by those that don't ever do any educating, but what do we do until the people are "educated" (or in other words think how we want them to think)? It would be a full time job for several people to take on this task and as my friends and I often joke at how much money we get to spend from our own pockets to do this job. We don't expect anything and keep working to make the resource better whether we get accolades or trashed.
Should we stand by and let the resource go to heck? Should we let minority rule at the expense of the fishery that the majority enjoys? Maybe, but I don't think that people (even the minority) would like what the end product would be. Then there would be crys "why didn't you do anything to protect the fishery?" 
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Also, to the points of why doesn't the season end with ice-up? The reason is 2 fold. 1. Enforcecment. If a person is caught with a muskie they can always say they got it from the river or other body of water that isn't iced up. 2. By tying it in with dark house spearing the DNR has their cover from a potential ice angler uprising. They like to CYA with as many angler groups as possible (see our push for 50" limit and getting 48" instead, new lakes, etc). |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Like Hooker said, the St. Croix is open to fish.... and this just in...... "The third warmest Nov. on record for Mn." Normal years we would be ice fishing by now.
Thanks MI. for the hard work and uphill battles that you guys deal with............Your my Hero's!
I'll see ya at a few meetings this winter.
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Location: Ontario | I think there is a line to how much can and should be regulated. Unfortunately, every individual is going to think the line should be in a different spot. Obviously there needs to be some regulations in place, but I dont think that closing the season for the summer months is the best thing to do. It will be hard to grow the awareness of musky if you don't allow the summer cottager to fish for them when they are enjoying the sun for a weeks vacation. Allowing them to fish will hopefully get them interested enough in the sport that they start to take it more seriously and read, learn and educate themselves on the proper way of handling these fish. For some of us, it took the first laded musky to flip on the switch about how wonderful of a species musky are and that we need to do everything we can to protect them. We need to remember that all these groups are not putting regulations in to hurt the musky, they are doing it to protect them, whether you agree with them or not, we have to remember they are doing what they think is right.
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| Wow, I've been away from the boards for too long. I can now keep up with this and other important debates because of the MN closure.... |
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