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Message Subject: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades
Firetiger
Posted 10/11/2009 11:37 PM (#404259)
Subject: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





Has anybody any luck trolling these big dogs yet? I've had mixed days, nothing really to set a pattern yet, but slower seems to have worked a little better. Any comment would be appreciated on trolling big blades. Thanks
SpencerBerman
Posted 10/12/2009 2:20 AM (#404271 - in reply to #404259)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades




Posts: 202


Trolling supermodels is one of my go to tactics whenever I have suspended fish. They catch fish in open water for all the same reasons they
SpencerBerman
Posted 10/12/2009 2:28 AM (#404272 - in reply to #404259)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades




Posts: 202


Trolling supermodels is my go to tactic for suspended fish in MN. They catch fish in open water for all the same reasons that they do everywhere else, vibration, flash and motion.
Roughneck1860
Posted 10/12/2009 9:24 AM (#404298 - in reply to #404259)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





Posts: 295


Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
I troll them all year when I do troll. I always run a weight in the 4-12oz range a head of them depending on blades size and depth I want to fish. If your not trolling big blades your missing out just as much as if your not casting them.

Good Fishin'
Tim
muskie24/7
Posted 10/12/2009 9:49 AM (#404306 - in reply to #404298)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





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A 4 OZ slip sinker above your leader and DCG with 70 ft. of line out at 3.5 MPH should put your lure down between 4 and 5 feet! Put the DCG in the water and get the blades spinning then slowly let it out to 70 ft. I'm no trolling expert but this was passed on to me by a freind who pretty much always trolls!

Brian

Edited by muskie24/7 10/12/2009 10:31 AM
CASTING55
Posted 10/12/2009 9:58 AM (#404308 - in reply to #404306)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades




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Location: N.FIB
the gregg thomas video that came out this year has a part on it where they are trolling 10`s with a ton of weight to get the lure down deep.
Will Schultz
Posted 10/12/2009 10:03 AM (#404310 - in reply to #404306)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





Location: Grand Rapids, MI

muskie24/7 - 10/12/2009 10:49 AM A 4 OZ slip sinker above your leader and DCG with 70 ft. of line out will put your lure down between 4 and 5 feet! Brian :)

Um... I think you need to add in the speed to make this equation work. There's a huge difference between the running depth at 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6mph.

muskie24/7
Posted 10/12/2009 10:28 AM (#404314 - in reply to #404310)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





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Will Schultz - 10/12/2009 11:03 AM

muskie24/7 - 10/12/2009 10:49 AM A 4 OZ slip sinker above your leader and DCG with 70 ft. of line out will put your lure down between 4 and 5 feet! Brian :)

Um... I think you need to add in the speed to make this equation work. There's a huge difference between the running depth at 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6mph.

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UM....YEA! Sorry!
Roughneck1860
Posted 10/12/2009 11:44 AM (#404332 - in reply to #404310)
Subject: Re: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





Posts: 295


Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
Will Schultz - 10/12/2009 11:03 AM

muskie24/7 - 10/12/2009 10:49 AM A 4 OZ slip sinker above your leader and DCG with 70 ft. of line out will put your lure down between 4 and 5 feet! Brian :)

Um... I think you need to add in the speed to make this equation work. There's a huge difference between the running depth at 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6mph.



Deffinantlly. Especially when you get into running big weights. If I'm fishing "high" I'll go with 4oz and 20ft at time which just keeps the spinner in the water and +/- .5mph doesn't make a huge difference. If I'm running deep with 12oz or more I keep my eyes one my electronics more than the water so I can monitor speed and depth. With big weights +/- 1 mph can mean a difference of feet if fishing 20ft+ or deeper.

Good Fishin'
Tim
Mistake
Posted 10/12/2009 12:58 PM (#404341 - in reply to #404259)
Subject: RE: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades


Hello All, Trolling bucktails is a great thing, but be careful of the deeply run cow girl. It is a death sentence. For some reason many fish caught on the heavily weighted cow girls end bellied up.

Just ask Greg Thomas how many fish have died or slow released in his boat due to this technique. The statistics will shock you.

Jay
Baby Mallard
Posted 10/12/2009 1:11 PM (#404343 - in reply to #404341)
Subject: RE: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





Ya, but remember that Gregg is so innovative.  He has learned everything on his own.
Roughneck1860
Posted 10/12/2009 1:12 PM (#404344 - in reply to #404341)
Subject: RE: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades





Posts: 295


Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
Mistake - 10/12/2009 1:58 PM

Hello All, Trolling bucktails is a great thing, but be careful of the deeply run cow girl. It is a death sentence. For some reason many fish caught on the heavily weighted cow girls end bellied up.

Just ask Greg Thomas how many fish have died or slow released in his boat due to this technique. The statistics will shock you.

Jay


If that is an issue I think you'll find it's not because of the type of bait but where the bait is run in the water column. I used to run baits (spinners and cranks) off downriggers 35ft+ down and had issues with fish reviving.

Tim
Guest
Posted 10/12/2009 3:52 PM (#404360 - in reply to #404259)
Subject: RE: Trolling Supermodels or Big Big Blades


The video that Gregg put out is deceiving. His depth that he is reaching is much deeper than reported. Go out and troll a 12oz ball in front of blades and see how deep it will go with 60 feet of line out. It will get down 30ft at 3.5mph. Do you really think 30ft deep is safe to bring fish up from? I had a fish get the bloat pulling it up from 18ft down. It was hard to release but finally went after 10 minutes. It is something that I will never do again. I have never had a problem with big crankbaits giving the fish bloat.

This is a very deadly technique when using anything over 8oz. of lead.
The person that shared the information with Gregg never thought he would make a DVD and put this in the hands of anyone that watched it.
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