Posted 3/1/2009 9:48 PM (#363547) Subject: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 596
Location: deephaven mn
Some of you are probably aware of the thread on another board about the MAC and MMTT merger. It has be interesting to say the least. I myself had some concerns about how this may effect Paul Hartman's stocking and rearing operation.
I called Paul and he seemed to think everything would work out well. Then saw this thread progress and I chimed in with some doubt towards the MAC. I have talked with Paul a few times and now realize there has been some damage done in respect to the MAC's image.
The MAC is offering to aid in the prorogation of Muskies in Minnesota by growing what Hartman and the MMTT has in place and alot of folks are trying to shoot holes in it. I see this has potential to be a really good thing and as a member of Muskies Inc. I hope I can be a part of this. I know most of you here are supportive of the MAC but i want to spread the word and hope try help create a positive image for the MAC.
Greg Kappes
Editor's Note:
The threads in question were deleted by the administrator of that website.
Posted 3/2/2009 7:12 PM (#363734 - in reply to #363547) Subject: Re: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 32955
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I believe the top post says what you ask in part.
The MAC will take the promotion of the Teams and their Sponsors to a new level. We'll be streaming the events live from the event location using a very high quality stream from our own servers, so folks at home can watch the virtual tally take place each day with live video, live commentary, and much more. Busy during the live tally? No problem the event will be archived so anyone may watch it anytime into the future. Payouts will be much higher, and manufacturers will be offering contingencies to those who use their products.
Daily video interviews with the Teams in the morning and evening will be offered on the MAC website, daily image galleries morning and evening offering a photo story of over 150 images describing the activities of the day will also be posted.
MAC employs immediate release, (CPR) reducing handling to no more than most take to record a personal catch, which should mean less than 30 seconds the muskie would ever be out of the water. No judge boats, no holding fish, and no transporting Muskies...ever.
The MAC conservation fund is highlighted by the MAC Paul Hartman Series Metro event raising money for the Twin Cities Metro waters, and a conservation fund will be established working in concert with the Hugh C Becker Foundation and Paul Hartman to give back to specific projects on each water body we visit.
dazzletails
Posted 3/2/2009 7:43 PM (#363740 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
I’ll second what Kap said. I too had my opinions and may have wrongly contributed to the nonsense. In the end it sounds like the return will be better than ever.
Mike Habrat
Joe Denton
Posted 3/2/2009 11:40 PM (#363805 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
Steve,
Man what a beating all this MAC stuff has got. I personally have fished MMT and PMTT events and have to say that we all have to believe the MAC is what is says it will be. I can't remember either of the prior tournament promoters getting this kind of flack. Maybe because of the internet, promotion, or so be it this one is getting it. I personally feel that if you have Paul's efforts merged into MAC'S that is great. I know that he has done a lot for the efforts of Musky conservation and growth not only in MN but throughout their range. Time will only tell the story. I wish everyone luck in their endeavors and we all know that only thru our own personal efforts can we make a difference.
Dave Mendel
Posted 3/3/2009 6:53 AM (#363815 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
With all due respect to the MAC and it's organizers, I think it's a little early for 'High Fives'. Right now it's all about what the MAC is gonna do.
I'm certain after all the "Bashing" the MAC will follow up on their committment to the resource, and during tough times our fisheries will take all the support it can get.
Hopefully the MAC will set the bar for other trails that fish in Minn.
Dave
Posted 3/3/2009 8:37 AM (#363840 - in reply to #363815) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 32955
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Mr. Mendel,
The Muskie Anglers Circuit would have, and certainly will 'follow through' with or without the abuse taken on the Next Bite and Musky Hunter by a very small group of folks who have 'stretched to the breaking point' the posting permissions on three Muskie websites out there. The conservation program we have in place has nothing whatsoever to do with anything they have said or done. Read the first post, it's an apology to Paul, not anything congratulatory beyond that. And, the gesture is appreciated, believe me.
There's a couple agendas at play with a small group of folks, one is basically reactionary without thinking through the facts or consequences, the other a few folks who do not like me because of my OutdoorsFIRST ownership. It's winter on the internet!
The MAC will run a tight ship, and run it with coverage like this:
This is what we mean in part when we talk about ramping up the coverage and promotion for the Teams and Sponsors. OutdoorsFIRST streamed this event's weigh in ( FLW Walleye Tour Championship) live so folks could watch it. We also worked with In Fisherman to stream their events last year, and will be working to make sure AIM coverage through the Anglers Insight Marketing website has the coolest coverage possible. We have walked the walk on this one for years on the Walleye side of things, it's just not something to which the Muskie folks pay much attention.
The coverage of the MAC events will be on the Muskie Anglers Circuit website, and on MuskieFIRST, two teams with differing goals for the coverage of each day. The streaming video can be picked up by other websites as well, we streamed to the In Fisherman website and WalleyeFIRST in a simulcast a few times last year.
So no 'high fives', that wasn't the intent with any of the promotion of the MAC; the intent is to indicate how truly different this circuit really is and what folks who make the investment to fish with us can expect.
Posted 3/3/2009 10:55 AM (#363872 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 1220
Just wanted to add that I was one of the ones who just could not believe the negative attitude shown in that other discussion. I posted a couple of pro tournament items and just about had my head taken off. My original plan was to just watch and see what happened to the MAC this year while I fished the other stuff I had already planned. The unfair, unjust and just plain ungentlemenly attacks on this group made me change my mind. So, yesterday, I mailed in my money for membership and for payment into the first event in Minoqua. These other guys wanted to sink the thing before it even had a chance to show itself for whatever it was to be. My way of thinking is to vote with your checkbook on this sort of thing and I am glad to have provided a little more cash for them to get the thing off the ground. I figure it's nice to wish someone well in a post but nicer to send a check. Good Luck Guys. Marty Forman
Dave Mendel
Posted 3/3/2009 3:36 PM (#363940 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
Steve,
My response was to post # 2 Spencer.
Sorry to sound sarcastic about the bashing comment. It was taken out of context, and after I read I see how it could be.
I believe alot of what was good discussion was perceived as bashing by others.
There were alot of good points brought up by both sides and hopefully both can respect each other. We have the opportunity to learn from it. That can't be a bad thing.
As I said before Good Luck to the MAC, and the the goals you have set.
Posted 3/3/2009 4:57 PM (#363960 - in reply to #363940) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
So the Hugh Becker fund has guaranteed the tournament money on the waters it utilizes through Paul Hartmans involvement in both?? How do they work in concert??I guess I had a different impression on how the fund operated. Do you mean MAC is donating to the Hugh Becker fund?
Posted 3/3/2009 7:01 PM (#363995 - in reply to #363960) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 4080
Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
As a member of the MAC I will donate to the Hugh Becker fund... why? because this fund does Great things for the Muskie World,... And I get a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that I'm helping in some way.
Posted 3/3/2009 7:45 PM (#364005 - in reply to #363547) Subject: Re: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 32955
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Muskiefool,
Yes, we will be donating to the Becker Foundation. I have no idea what you mean with the rest.
Dave Mendel
Posted 3/3/2009 8:34 PM (#364025 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
So the MAC will be donating to the Huge Becker fund and the Becker fund administrators will distribute the $$ as they determine?
Now that's a great plan.
Dave
Posted 3/3/2009 8:37 PM (#364026 - in reply to #364005) Subject: Re: MAC = more muskies
"a conservation fund will be established working in concert with the Hugh C Becker Foundation and Paul Hartman to give back to specific projects on each water body we visit."
That was a bit confusing to me I guess.
I thought you were talking about using Hugh Becker Funds (lacing Paul in somehow in conjunction with the Becker fund) in concert with the conservation money granted by industry to spot shoot dollars into areas that you fish, I'm glad the tournament is donating money into the Hugh C. Becker Trust/Foundation and not asking for money from it to assist with its conservation efforts.
Thanks to anyone that donates to this fund, its one of the few things Muskies have going for them aside from the conservation work done by MI Chapters.
Posted 3/3/2009 9:07 PM (#364035 - in reply to #363547) Subject: Re: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 32955
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
John, Dave, yes.
Guest
Posted 3/4/2009 10:52 AM (#364111 - in reply to #364035) Subject: Re: MAC = more muskies
The Hugh C. Becker Foundation has not accepted funds from, nor distributed funds to, any fishing tournament.
There is an implication of an association between the Hugh C. Becker Foundation and fishing tournaments. The Hugh C. Becker Foundation does not seek nor accept accept donations from living individuals., tournaments, or other entities, (i.e., please do not send us any money) The Foundation distributes funds on a yearly cycle, with the 2009 distribution to successful grantees already determined. The list of successful grantees will be published and distribute elsewhere. The request for grant proposals appeared in the January 2008 issue of MUSKIE on page 30, column 1.
"Credit to the Hugh C. Becker Foundation will be incurred in funding"
"The Hugh C Becker has priority rights to all press releases and publications"
The Hugh C. Becker Foundation has not received funds from, nor distributed funds to, any fishing tournament, Any press release or publication that indicates otherwise is false.
Posted 3/4/2009 11:28 AM (#364115 - in reply to #363547) Subject: Re: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 32955
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Guest,
Please contact Paul Hartman. He is the person who suggested we apply to offer funds to the Hugh C Becker Foundation, and will be handling the activity. As I understand it, Paul is a committee member and knows how the organization works, so we have left this in his court. I just got off the phone with Paul, so he's looking for a call from you. I took the liberty of providing him with your computer location, so he can figure out who he's needing to contact.
There is no 'association' between the Foundation and any fishing tournament intended, I actually said 'In concert with' Paul Hartman and the Hugh C. Becker Foundation. Paul is simply looking for the most effective distribution of funds raised through the standard grant process (and raised through our cooperative efforts) as might be possible to the best Muskie related conservation organizations possible.
There was no publication or press release from this source at all, just a report on what Mr. Hartman is attempting to accomplish.
If you have any further questions or concerns, you may contact me personally.
My contact information is:
715.362.1760 phone
Email: [email protected]
Posted 3/4/2009 11:46 AM (#364116 - in reply to #363547) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
Posts: 75
Location: Aurora, IL.
Guest,
I have no doubt the Becker foundation has contributed greatly to the muskie world and we all are grateful.
Mr Worrall has simply stated that MAC intended to, and I paraphrase, "Establish a conservation fund working in concert with the Becker Foundation and Paul Hartman". I wont pretend to understand all of the politics involved with Muskies Inc. but your post makes me question my membership and involvement.
MAC appears to me to be sincerely interested in supporting your efforts why would you not consider the offer? Given the current state of our economy this is puzzling. Very closed minded in my opinion.
Additionally, wouldnt it be more appropriate for someone from the Becker Foundation to contact the MAC directly communicating your position instead of posting here anonymously?
To be clear I am not involved in anyway with the MAC organization other than I will participate as a tournament angler.
As a Muskies inc member I have often defended attacks from some that say it is a very elitist organization, posts like yours continue to make it a very difficult argument to win.
Joe
Marc J
Posted 3/4/2009 12:28 PM (#364120 - in reply to #364116) Subject: RE: MAC = more muskies
