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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Saw this at EsoxHunter, The Mn. readers need to get on this !! NOT A GOOD IDEA !!! Next will be musky, H.F. No. 621, introduced - 86th Legislative Session {2009 - 2010} Posted on Feb 09, 2009.
1.1A Bill for an act
1.2 relating to game & fish; eliminating SLOT LIMITS FOR NORTHERN PIKE WHILE SPEARING;
1.3 amending Mn. Statutes 2008, section 97C.385, subdivision 2.
1.4 be it ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF Mn.
1.5 Section 1. Mn. Statues 2008, section 97C. 385, subdivision 2, is amended to read:
1.6 Subd. 2. Summer Angling limits must be same as & spearing limits.
1.7 If the commissioner reduces the limit of a species of game fish taken by spearing in any waters
1.8 under section 97A.045, subd. 2, the commissioner must reduce the limit fot taking
1.9 of the species by angling in the waters durring the following open season for angling.
1.10{B} The commissioner shall not limit the SIZE OF A NORTHERN PIKE ALLOWED TO BE TAKEN
1.11 BY SPEAR.
Edited by PIKEMASTER 2/11/2009 8:06 AM
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | What's frustrating is that the person behind this bill was in all of the Esox Management meetings and saw the data on how the pike slots are benefiting the pike population and the lake health in general. This is just another person that wants to go against the science so he can fill his freezer with fillets.
We'll be asking for people to contribute input shortly. |
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| Ridiculous. Because you arent responsible enough to spear a pike only when you are sure it is withing the slot we should let you spear whatever you want?
Some of my family recently attended one of the Darkhouse Assoc. banquets. Had a guy there bragging about having 6 fish over 22 pounds on the wall. Wow, what a waste.
I don't have a problem with spearing at all. I have actually done a fair amount of it, and it is a lot of fun...but it needs to be done responsibly. |
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| That's not the only silly spearing bill to hit the mn legislature this year, theirs also one (HF 26) that will give out of state spear chuckers the right to purchase a license and toss their forks. heck Minnesotans can't even tell pike and muskie apart how the heck is someone from another state going to? |
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| The lake we are on has had a slot limit for quite awhile, and you can see the difference. we fish pike regularly ( for sport only) and the size increase is noticeable. We actually had one fish over 40" and numerous 32-38" inch fish. This is not a huge lake by any means.
I don't think it gets much spearing pressure, but i did hear from a lake resident that they saw a guy get an upper 30" inch fish spearing this year. I just wonder why you bother having a slot limit for anglers, and even allow spearing.
I have tried spearing years ago. I thought it was ok, but I don't think there is much sport in it, and you can't tell me illegal fish are not taken. I think it happens too much. As far as any lake with muskies in, I think should never allow spearing on. Again, Why would you allow it?
Remember, there is no catch and release with spearing. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | So illegal sized fish are not taken by hook and line? |
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| No their not |
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| Mr. Worrall
Not trying to start an internet bash here, nor a bash of any sort, just want clarification. Isn't the word 'taken' a bit ambiguous for this topic? When I first read your post on the topic, I read taken and instantly thought caught or landed. Just because a fish is caught doesn't mean that it isn't a live release.
On the slot lakes hook and line anglers must release fish in the slot even if they catch them, why give spearers the chance to have a different law than the hook and line anglers? If fish harvested by hook and line anglers by hook and line anglers are in the slot then it is illegal. Thanks guys! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I didn't say they should, I am objecting to the comment that those who spear Pike regularly take illegal sized fish. We've had similar discussions here before, and that sort of 'debate' isn't constructive, nor will it make it any easier for those in the MN Muskie world who are working with the Darkhouse folks attempting to resolve issues. |
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| This is long but it now has a companion with Bi partisan support Ive listed the number of the new senate file at the top.
H.F. No. 621, and SF 0631 as introduced - 86th Legislative Session (2009-2010) Posted on Feb 09, 2009
1.1A bill for an act
1.2relating to game and fish; eliminating slot limits for northern pike while spearing;
1.3amending Minnesota Statutes 2008, section 97C.385, subdivision 2.
1.4BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:
1.5 Section 1. Minnesota Statutes 2008, section 97C.385, subdivision 2, is amended to read:
1.6 Subd. 2. Summer Angling limits must be same as and spearing limits. (a) If the
1.7commissioner reduces the limit of a species of game fish taken by spearing in any waters
1.8under section 97A.045, subdivision 2, the commissioner must reduce the limit for taking
1.9of the species by angling in the waters during the following open season for angling.
1.10(b) The commissioner shall not limit the size of a northern pike allowed to be taken
1.11by spear.
What does this do?
1. It will force the commissioner to lower the limit of Pike on these lakes to 1 fish so they cannot spear more than one within the open water/ice line anglers slot, you’ll also have to stick with one fish for other types of angling that have to abide by the slot, what is really needed is the removal of more small pike to help restore the average size fish, we’ve been told by possibly the best pike biologist in the world (also a Darkhouse angler) that allowing the harvest one fish in the slot will nullify the regulation. He has done a study spanning the mid seventies to 2007 that is in Peer review right now showing these regs work.
2. Or the DNR will be forced to remove all slots and minimum size limits and pushing the fishery deeper into the abyss of Hammer Handle lakes, open water/ice anglers will never go for a one fish limit outside the “open water/ice slot” to offset the unregulated harvest with a spear.
3. It grants one form of angling special permission to harvest without regulation of the resource because by law they have taken away the commissioners power to protect Pike in these lakes that have already been damaged by over abundances of stunted pike.
4. It makes us all look bad, Sportsmen of any genre don’t need to be divided by one groups preference to harvest over another’s and it makes those writing this legislation look shameless, I don’t understand how they can site the commissioners powers to help push one bit of legislation then in the next stroke of a pen eliminate his power to do just that; protect the resource.
5. We are all under attack by Anti-Fishing, Hunting groups, they are calling fish “Sea Kittens” in an attempt to have children guilt their parents into not fishing or eating fish, no less torturing them with Catch and Release while calling Daddy a MURDERER; this just fuels their fire and makes them embolden.
6. This I feel is an attempt to derail the long range Large Pike and Muskie plan that has recently been adopted by the DNR, hampering their attempt to create a very miniscule number of lakes that would hold large pike; narrowing the available lakes to just one, Mille Lacs.
7. It takes lakes like Upper Red, Cedar and Crow Wing that have large size limits of one over 40 inches will only apply to open water/ice anglers but spears could harvest one of any size.
8. What’s to stop a special law? Only you the voter, what’s next for the legislature since the managers and biologists we the people are paying salaries for are almost completely disregarded? Who knows? Lets just say only archery can harvest over a 10 point buck or how about allowing us to shoot one hen then take away the commissioners power to shut down the harvest when the population plummets.
This is not anti-spearing, there is enough anti garbage between sportsmen; this is just plain dangerous to all of us no matter if we hunt or fish it sets a precedence of disrespect and disregard.
Call and tell the authors your opinion as well as your own legislators.
Representative David Dill (DFL) District: 06A
651-296-2190 or 800-339-0466
[email protected]
Representative Al Juhnke (DFL) District: 13B
651-296-6206
[email protected]
Representative Tom Anzelc (DFL) District: 03A
651-296-4936
[email protected]
Representative Loren Solberg (DFL) District: 03B
651-296-2365 or 888-682-6154
[email protected]
Senator Tom Saxhaug (DFL) District 03
651.296.4136
[email protected]
Senator Paul E. Koering (R) District 12
651.296.4875
[email protected]
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| I love muskie fishing, but with all the whining that goes on about this spearing I wish the state would just ban spearing and muskie fishing altogether for about ten years so that people would realize just how well they have it right now.
There is no doubt that spearing has minimal effects on lakes with exception to bone lake in WI. I think that spearers should come out and push for shutting down all brood stock lakes from being angled on and see how well that works? Especially being that some of your top pros in the industry are making a living off these lakes. Example: Hulbert and Saric filming shows on Plantangenet this last summer, I mean is that right? I don't see the problem with it but many do. Everyone has a different perspective on these issues.
I laugh because this is muskie website, so obviously there is going to be some anamocity towards spearing but still we have to understand that spearing has been around in MN much longer and we have to respect that also. Personally I belive that if the DNR is going to put money into these lakes in hopes of raising the size of the fish then yes they shoud put an initial pan on them for spearing. If the plan works, then reopen it to spearing in the future once the average size has been increased.
Spearing is definitly not what is causing these lakes to fail in producing large fish. Just look at any one of these lakes where people are spearing in the winter and then go back in 6 months and clearly you will see that there are way more boats fishing for table fare than there ever are spearing. To me I believe this issue is derived partially from jealousy! If someone shoots a huge buck someone else is going to say they did it illegally! If someone goes spearing and spears a 20lb pike then other people think that it is totally wrong! Jealousy!!!!
Ok I'm done venting and let it be known that I love musky fishing being I do it every day in the summer but for real people we need to chill about this issue! Spearing is not killing all the muskies and or large pike! |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Mike you make some good points, but as I see the major issue that this bill takes the fisheries management decision out of the control of the Commisioner and put the decision making of the fisheries in the legislative control, to me is not a good idea, fisheries should manage the fisheries.
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| It's always bad when politicians think they know more of how to manage our natural resource than the natural resource professionals themselves. |
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| Mike you should read my post, I know it's long but there is nothing about anti-spearing, as a matter of fact Ive made newspaper contacts for the Darkhouse to help promote their sport as well as being the one responsible for the spearing language in the long range plan, Ive worked with the Darkhouse rep at the capitol to stop legislation such as the 2-line and non-res spearing, I consider him a friend despite our difference we both love to Muskie fish and carve wood. They are not bad people unfortunately their is a few with some political connections that don't give 2 $#!+s about the resource or the future of their sport. |
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