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Cowboyhannah
Posted 1/2/2009 9:56 PM (#352760)
Subject: Need Advice on saving a bait





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Location: Kronenwetter, WI
I had this Big Game 7" walleye colored bait that has caught a good number of fish but the finish started peeling off and it would not run right. I peeled off all the finish and found the wood and thru-wire are in good shape. What I'm wondering is if there is an inexensive way to put this bait back into action...I'd be fine using some spray paint for color, but what can I use to seal it so it doesn't take on water? Is there a spray on product at Menards I could use?

Thanks in advance


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knooter
Posted 1/2/2009 10:32 PM (#352775 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait




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Location: Hugo, MN
I use Deft sanding sealer. Just sand it down to bare wood, and dip it. Let it hag dry and dip it again. Let it dry for a day or two before painting just to be safe. I've had good luck with this stuff.
RiverMan
Posted 1/2/2009 11:09 PM (#352790 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait




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Location: Oregon
Clean it up good by lightly sanding. Dip in a sanding sealer or polycrylic, let dry a few hours. Spray on a coat of white primer paint, you can use almost any brand, just make sure you let it dry overnight. Try not to touch the bait anymore than you have to once you have primered unless you are wearing gloves.

Paint the color you want and again let it dry really well. Attach the bait to a pair of vice grips by one of the hook hangers, I like the one on the belly.

Now to clearcoat, buy a container of Devcon Epoxy at Wal-Mart, get the 30 minute version, not the five minute. Mix the devcon well in a dixie cup or the bottom of a beer can and paint it on with a small disposable paint brush. If there are bubbles you can remove them with a quick pass of a propane torch. Rotate the bait left and right by hand for about 20 minutes then set aside and leave it alone until the next day.

Jed V.

Edited by RiverMan 1/2/2009 11:11 PM
Guest
Posted 1/2/2009 11:40 PM (#352798 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: RE: Need Advice on saving a bait


Cowboyhannah,

Drop me an e-mail,

Tony Spicker
www.biggamelureco.com

Musky Dawg
Posted 1/3/2009 8:57 AM (#352810 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait




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Hey Jed, that's some pretty useful information. I have a lure at home that I had the same thing happen to, NOT a brand name lure, bought it off ebay last winter. I was hoping to find someone to paint it for me, but your post doesn't seem too difficult. I painted some of my own last summer, and they looked great but the paint started coming off after a couple days of use. I was just using a spray on clear coat, which isn't really the best for water applications. I never would have thought to use epoxy. I'm assuming you don't need "alot" of it per lure correct? Do you only put 1 coat of it on?
~Dawg
Yake Bait
Posted 1/3/2009 9:22 AM (#352816 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait





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Here is what I suggest based on where you are at... 

Lightly sand off any remaining primer on your lure.  

Rig up a coat hanger to slowly turn your lure on a cordless drill. I'll post a picture of mine. You need to turn the lure to get the finish to level out. Hang your lure in the jig, keep it turning slowly by taping the trigger as shown in my photo.  You should be able to stop it by grabbing the chuck with a free hand.

Precoat with Devocon 2T. Mix about 1/2 a tube on the underside of a beer can. Miller High Life seems to work the best... Mix it thoroughly. Make sure to work up the layer that adheres to the surface of the can (otherwise you can get tacky spots from unmixed epoxy), then thin it with just a little bit of acetone, just a few drops. Apply with a small disposable paint brush. Try to fill any open areas, especially around the lip.  Watch for bare spots as you turn the lure, brush them out or brush on a little more epoxy.  I stop the lure from turning with with one hand while brushing with the other until I am happy with the coverage.  Don't worry about a few lumps as they will continue to level out as the lure turns and epoxy cures.  A little heat will help to pop bubbles but can also create more as the air comes from pores in the wood. I recommend letting them go at this point.  If you have a heat gun, it works a little better than a hair dryer.  Only let the heat affect the epoxy, if you leave it on too long it will make the wood give up air and wreck your finish. 

lightly hand sand the precoat with fine grit paper. Any bubbles that may have formed you can level them out here. 

Paint. If you air brush, that works best, but guys also do a great job using rattle cans. Topcoat with Devcon 2T. Same process as above. You can use more heat here as long as the bubbles are just in the epoxy and not coming from the wood itself. Heat will aggrevate if it is coming from the wood. 

The double layer of Devcon will make your lure more bullet proof than before.  Devcon is a harder, less flexible finish than the original on your Big Game lure.  The epoxy pre-coat works better than primer when it cones to popping the finish in the future. 

For future, any time you get some minor nicks or cracks into the balsa, mix a small amount of 5 minute Devcon and wtih a toothpick, fill / coat the affected area. This prevents water from getting into the balsa and causing additional problems. Balsa is great for action of the lure, but prone to swelling and absorbing water.



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RiverMan
Posted 1/3/2009 9:52 AM (#352819 - in reply to #352760)
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Location: Oregon
I like the coat hanger idea, very clever!

My drill is not cordless and won't slow down enough to do this but for those who have a drill that will work great!


Musky Dawg,

As for how much to put on, if you are seeing fish eyes (bare spots) then you need more. Just start painting it on and if you can't get an even coat on everything without fish eyes then add some more.

Some lures you can get away with a second coat, others you cannot because it will impede action. Gliders and larger cranks you can use two coats, smaller baits be careful.

Just make sure that you turn the lure back and forth long enough so that it won't sag when you let it dry. Turn the lure one way then the other, from 8:00 to 4:00.

Jed





Edited by RiverMan 1/3/2009 9:54 AM
Yake Bait
Posted 1/3/2009 9:59 AM (#352821 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait





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Forgot to mention that you need to keep it turning for about 60 min or until the epoxy is firmed up.

Thanks for the complement on the coat hangar. I make lures one at a time and it works pretty good for that. Also can set up on the kitchen counter where it is warm enough to do the work.
Beaver
Posted 1/3/2009 6:16 PM (#352886 - in reply to #352821)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait





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I like that coat hanger set up too. That's a slick idea for one lure at a time.
I never used a drill, I always have used bar-b-que rottisere motors. You can pick them up cheap, and then get some rod and grind it to fit. I've got a few rods from 1 foot to 4 foot and brace the end. I think that I'll be working on a way to attach multiple coat hangers.
Another great idea shared by the boys who were born in the basement and never brought up
Beav
Cowboyhannah
Posted 1/5/2009 9:09 PM (#353317 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait





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Location: Kronenwetter, WI
Hey guys--

THanks so much for all your advice----I will be using your advice for sure on some projects....

However,

Tony Spicker of Big Game tackle called me at home and offered to repaint that magic lure so I can put it back into action. Absolutely awesome customer service from a man who stands behind his products. That's what makes the difference between the large mass-produced companies and those owned by a guy with his hands on his company and his ears open to his customers....

Thanks Tony!
CASTING55
Posted 1/6/2009 6:41 AM (#353376 - in reply to #353317)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait




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Location: N.FIB
does it matter what kind of paint you put on the lures before you clear coat them,I have a few lures that look like cowboys,I grew up with a guy that if I can get ahold of him could paint some really cool designs.I haven`t talked to him in about five years and not sure if he`s into air brushing but I know he could hand paint anything I throw at him.
RiverMan
Posted 1/6/2009 10:07 PM (#353525 - in reply to #352760)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on saving a bait




Posts: 1504


Location: Oregon
I have put water based paints over oil base without a problem so long as you make sure to let the lure dry completely between coats and make sure the surface to be painted is very clean.........no finger prints. I am probably a bit more picky about this than most but it has worked for me in the past and old habits are hard to break.

Just make sure you let the primer coat dry overnight in a warm place before going to the top paint. If you get fingerprints on the primer clean them off with a clean paper towel and rubbing alcohol.

Jed
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