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| Curiosity killed the cat Pheiff. You live in the Rhinelander area, but I don't see any posts from you telling people about the fish that you caught on some little gem of a lake up in your neck of the woods. Usually it's questions any time guys post pictures of fish that come from Vilas County Lakes.
I say invoke your Constitutional Right to remain silent!
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| First: It is embarrassing to post on Sunday afternoon. I should be on the #*^@ water. : )
In my early days on the internet I made the mistake of posting a Lake X. I got lucky and a mod pulled it before any major damage was done.
I fish N WI, some big but mostly small water. I am often alone (no other boats). No way in hell am I giving up the wilderness feel by posting the name of the lakes. I don't often bother with pics, but then again, I am not as good of a stick as many on the sites. I am more of weekend warrior (thus the post on a Sunday). Not too many fish worthy of showing.
To those who think posting lake names has no effect, I disagree. The top level sticks are less likely to go chasing pictures. Weekend warriors do. The guys who do not spend enough time on the water to figure out there own lakes and patterns will use what they see on the internet. They may not drive 300 miles to go to the latest hot lake, but if they happen to be in your neck of the woods, they will try out the new water they read about on the internet. 5-10 boat increase maybe. But on a 200 acre lake 5 boats changes the experience radically. Weekend warriors dont have time to explore new water. They want you to do it for them.
I don't much care where other people got their fish. I am interested in how. Depth and structure are more important than the lure. I dont get out enough to know the current pattern on every outing. Sometime the info on the net allows me to pattern things a bit quicker. Sometimes I will try the tactic I read about more quickly than I would ( I always start with my own gameplan) if I had not read it the day before.
I do not bother chasing the latest fad. I apply the tactics to my lakes and my spots. I did get my PB on Green Bay, but I fish there because it is close and I have a place to park my boat there. Saves on gas.
I can name at least 3 Vilas Cty lake that got killed by the internet. I remember a 5 and 4 fish days on 1 of them. We were just about alone. Now there can be 15 boats working Musky on a 400 acre lake. Lots of follows, very few converts.
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| TOO MANY INTERNET FISHERMAN. BOTTOMLINE. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Billy B - 7/5/2008 11:11 PM
I agree with bn, The word got out on Lake Webster that there was 7 adult muskies per acre and everybody and their brother started fishing it until every fish in the lake was caught several times and now it is nearly impossible to get a parking place there on a saturday morning.
Well there isn't exactly hundreds of other muskie lakes around the area. What do you honestly expect to happen? I think one of the next closest musky waters is the Detroit River, and that's a couple hours at least if memory serves me right. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | SVT - 7/6/2008 8:21 PM
TOO MANY INTERNET FISHERMAN. BOTTOMLINE.
SVT
Posted 7/6/2008 8:21 PM (#325146 - in reply to #324494)
Subject: Re: Lake X
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| Slamr - 7/6/2008 9:14 PM
SVT - 7/6/2008 8:21 PM
TOO MANY INTERNET FISHERMAN. BOTTOMLINE. SVT Posted 7/6/2008 8:21 PM (#325146 - in reply to #324494 ) Subject: Re: Lake X Offline Posts: 191
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| Merckid - 7/6/2008 9:26 PM
Billy B - 7/5/2008 11:11 PM
I agree with bn, The word got out on Lake Webster that there was 7 adult muskies per acre and everybody and their brother started fishing it until every fish in the lake was caught several times and now it is nearly impossible to get a parking place there on a saturday morning.
Well there isn't exactly hundreds of other muskie lakes around the area. What do you honestly expect to happen? I think one of the next closest musky waters is the Detroit River, and that's a couple hours at least if memory serves me right.
I agree with you to a point TJ. However, I bet there weren't as many guys headed to Webster during the closed seasons in MN and WI before word got out on it as there are now that this cat is out of the bag....plus it's a bit shorter of a drive there than it is to Kentucky for those headed south from MN or WI. |
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| Theres muskies in Webster? Ill be there tomorrow. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | ulbian - 7/6/2008 10:29 PM
I agree with you to a point TJ. However, I bet there weren't as many guys headed to Webster during the closed seasons in MN and WI before word got out on it as there are now that this cat is out of the bag....plus it's a bit shorter of a drive there than it is to Kentucky for those headed south from MN or WI.
Agreed! However, with there being 7 fish per acre, I'd definitely look to Webster versus driving multiple hours more and less likeliness in having to deal with water conditions on a reservoir like Cave Run. Another reason I'd look to Webster would be the inability to find fish on such a large body of water like the Cave in a short period of time, say a week during spring break due to the sheer size of the Cave. Now if I were looking to fish somewhere in hopes of warm weather the Cave would be my choice. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Adapt. Adjust. Overcome.
The 'Internet' is here to stay, and in the simplest is a method of communication. Communicate what you wish, and do not communicate what you don't.
The difference 'before the Internet' was the form of communication? Good muskie waters were discovered, and not all that slowly, either. Used to be magazines, TV, Muskie seminars and Shows, and Clubs were the culprits. Some still are.
Got a secret? Keep it if you like, share it if you like. Either way, enjoy your time on the water. Someday when you've moved on your X will be someone else's. It probably already is more times over than one might care to know.
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| why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x? |
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| SVT - 7/6/2008 11:44 PM
why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x?
Because the Lunge Log is a database and a resource that both fishermen AND biologists can use. Adds NOTHING to the body of knowledge if you don't specify a lake. There is zero LEGITIMACY or CREDIBILITY to a database with missing information.
Don't want folks to know your lake? Don't register your fish, but don't use the Lunge Log to boost your ego. Don't get me wrong, feel free to pump your chest all you like. Just don't abuse a database like the Lunge Log to do so. Use the internet! Kidding (sorta)! 
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| esox50 - 7/7/2008 12:04 AM
SVT - 7/6/2008 11:44 PM
why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x?
Because the Lunge Log is a database and a resource that both fishermen AND biologists can use. Adds NOTHING to the body of knowledge if you don't specify a lake. There is zero LEGITIMACY or CREDIBILITY to a database with missing information.
Don't want folks to know your lake? Don't register your fish, but don't use the Lunge Log to boost your ego. Don't get me wrong, feel free to pump your chest all you like. Just don't abuse a database like the Lunge Log to do so. Use the internet! Kidding (sorta )!
[above post directed generally, not solely to SVT]
Than why have a point system at all? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | Merckid - 7/6/2008 11:46 PM
However, with there being 7 fish per acre,
Well actually that number was a gross overestimate as stated by the DNR in a club meeting I attended over the winter.
it's more like 2.5-3.5
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| SVT - 7/7/2008 4:03 PM
esox50 - 7/7/2008 12:04 AM
SVT - 7/6/2008 11:44 PM
why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x?
Because the Lunge Log is a database and a resource that both fishermen AND biologists can use. Adds NOTHING to the body of knowledge if you don't specify a lake. There is zero LEGITIMACY or CREDIBILITY to a database with missing information.
Don't want folks to know your lake? Don't register your fish, but don't use the Lunge Log to boost your ego. Don't get me wrong, feel free to pump your chest all you like. Just don't abuse a database like the Lunge Log to do so. Use the internet! Kidding (sorta )!
[above post directed generally, not solely to SVT]
Than why have a point system at all?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting there shouldn't be a competition if you can't submit fish as caught from Lake X? If so, remember (again) that the Lunge Log is first and foremost a DATABASE. The competition is a great incentive to get people to submit fish so as to increase the body of knowledge that anglers and researchers alike can use. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Billy B - 7/7/2008 4:32 PM
Merckid - 7/6/2008 11:46 PM
However, with there being 7 fish per acre,
Well actually that number was a gross overestimate as stated by the DNR in a club meeting I attended over the winter.
it's more like 2.5-3.5
I understand, I just went off an above post. I have no real clue what the true estimate was of the lake. |
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| You fish a 150 acre black lagoon with a good population of chunky mid 40" fish and some tankers... Most days you have it to yourself, maybe, MAAAAAYBE there's one other boat out there, probably not even fishing for muskies. What kind of IDIOT would you be if you told everyone on the internet where it was???
Those lakes aren't great by some miracle of God, they're great because HARDLY ANYONE FISHES THERE. I can only think of ONE better way to ruin a lake like that than telling everybody you know about it, and that's to post it on the internet for all the people you know and even the ones you don't. Why is there "Lake X"???
Because calling it by its real name on the internet would reeeeealy fricking STUPID! |
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