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Message Subject: Best leader type for hardheads
Dave8121
Posted 6/18/2013 9:10 AM (#647138)
Subject: Best leader type for hardheads




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What type of leaders do you all use when fishing Hardheads. Thanks
kodiak
Posted 6/18/2013 9:31 AM (#647141 - in reply to #647138)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads





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Location: Okoboji
I think the best would be a longer Fluoro leader. Maybe one of those wind on styles.
CiscoKid
Posted 6/18/2013 9:32 AM (#647142 - in reply to #647138)
Subject: RE: Best leader type for hardheads





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Location: Oconto Falls, WI
I like a solid strand, 174# leader for the hardhead. No snaps or swivels. Split ring direct. On the buckethead I use a 130# Floro tied direct to the mainline (no swivel), and a stringease snap on the business end.

I found the way I work the hardhead that I hang the hooks up on a floro leader much more than if I use a single strand leader.
Reef Hawg
Posted 6/18/2013 11:17 AM (#647178 - in reply to #647138)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads




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Location: north central wisconsin
bladeno20 - 6/18/2013 10:46 AM

life look so complicated ,tail up at nov tail down at sep,two tails during the night on the full moon,10 inch leader for this one
10 1/4 for that one if the tail is longer than 4 inch.i just hope you still have fun :)


Alrighty then.
DH.Pare
Posted 6/19/2013 8:31 AM (#647379 - in reply to #647178)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads




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Location: Montreal, Que. Canada
Travis,
Why use 174 lb. single strand with out swivel than one made with 360lb. ss wouldn't the heavier pound test and can't be that much heavier a leader last through more fish? I realize that 174lb. is the standard for jerkbait leaders what do you think of the above option?

David
CiscoKid
Posted 6/19/2013 11:04 AM (#647414 - in reply to #647379)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads





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Location: Oconto Falls, WI
DH.Pare - 6/19/2013 8:31 AM

Travis,
Why use 174 lb. single strand with out swivel than one made with 360lb. ss wouldn't the heavier pound test and can't be that much heavier a leader last through more fish? I realize that 174lb. is the standard for jerkbait leaders what do you think of the above option?

David


David I will ask you why not use the 174# solid leader?

I use the solid wire as I make my own. So I typically use the 129#, or 174# and tie them on demand on the boat using the Du-Bro twist tool. No crimps, tying, etc… There is also no need for a swivel, and is an added joint in the system. The less hardware the better in my opinion. Personally I feel the swivel adds a joint which in turn allows that bait to hang up more and a jerk while working the bait. A fowled bait doesn’t catch fish. Same reason basically that I don’t like a flexible leader with the hardhead like flouro or any multi strand leader. I know plenty of guys that use that stuff, but for whatever reasons when I do I get more fowled baits when working them. I find with the solid 174# I don’t fowl the bait that often.

I also use the 174# over the 129# as when a bait does fowl I don’t kink the leaders as easily, and I can bend them back straight many more times than the 129# before I have to change leaders. The 129# will also after time get a bow to it due to I assume a bit of stretching of the steel, and a bit of stress causing it to bow. I don’t get that with the 174#.

For me it doesn’t matter if it is a hardhead, or a bulldawg as I use to run my dawgs with the same system.

I use to run stranded leaders when I started fishing. However when I got into jerking cranks stranded leaders just did not hold up long and were breaking. I then changed over to solid wire leaders. So a major factor in why I don’t use stranded is my “system” lends to solid, and I don’t have to carry the extra tools and materials to run stranded.

So those are my reasons. It’s simple, cheap, effective, durable, and allows me to run my bait more efficiently for my style of fishing.
DH.Pare
Posted 6/19/2013 12:46 PM (#647432 - in reply to #647414)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads




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Location: Montreal, Que. Canada
Travis,
Sorry ,I meant by 360 lb. ss, 360lb. Single strand which I was thinking would last even longer with out significant weight added to your style of fishing. By the way how long do you make your leaders?

David
curleytail
Posted 6/19/2013 12:49 PM (#647433 - in reply to #647138)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads




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Location: Hayward, WI
I've been using homemade 150# fluoro leaders at around 12" with a Staylock snap and ball bearing swivel. Seems to work for me, I don't get tangled up very often at all. My next choice would be a solid wire leader in 174# - that would work well too.

Bladeno, the adjustability and versatility is part of the fun and adds to the effectiveness of this bait.

Tucker
Ja Rule
Posted 6/20/2013 7:57 AM (#647592 - in reply to #647138)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads




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bladeno20 - 6/20/2013 2:35 AM



they just can't replace my dawgs.


cheers


They aren't really intended to either. It is a different tool, that if used properly in the right situations will catch fish. Although they obviously have very similar uses, they are completely different baits. I personally won't hit the water without a few of each.
curleytail
Posted 6/20/2013 10:30 AM (#647622 - in reply to #647138)
Subject: Re: Best leader type for hardheads




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Location: Hayward, WI
bladeno20 - 6/20/2013 2:35 AM



i bought 2,try one and never retry them,they just can't replace my dawgs.
i was happy to try it but when your partner use a dawg and put 3 fish in the net in front of your face,and you during that time don't get a sniff you feel you must be stupid to continue to cast it
maybe the tail was not pointing the right direction
for me the fun is to find and caught them,sometimes it's enough complicated that why for lures i like to keep it simple as possible.

cheers


Maybe it was the angler. Seriously though, we've all been outfished by our buddy, and then outfished him later. I've outfished guys that were throwing the same bait as me, and then they returned the favor later.

Anyway, Hardheads have mostly replaced Dawgs for me. I do still use rubber when I'm ripping them hard. Not sure why I tend to use it then - habit maybe. Some days rubber might be better - it's just a little different. Might push more water, and less mechanical noise without the hooks hitting the hard sides.

However, they are very similar as you say, and they have a nice belly roll that rubber doesn't really have. It's also nice to be able to fish them shallower or deeper without having to adjust your retreive speed or cadence by having the ability to change out the weights.

I sure wouldn't write a bait off because I got outfished once. Also, turning the tail up or down isn't as complicated as you make it seem... If you can manage to clip the bait to your leader, turning the tail shouldn't be a major issue, and adds to the versatility of the bait. Normally I do it twice a year anyway. Turn it up in the spring and turn it down around mid June. If that's too complicated, watching TV with a bag of chips may be a better pastime for you.

Tucker
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