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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | would like to hear from the guys who have fished these reels. My wife broke down and agreed on one for father's day.
The reel will be mated with a 8'6" mh-h rod used primarily to throw big bladed baits.
I'm familiar with the Luna, already own a 400te and red Isis among others.
Just interested in an opinion on these two reels.
Thanks
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | If you have a 400TE, then I would go with the TRINIDAD 16N, then you can burn {46" line pickup !!}the big bladed baits in the day, and at night use your 400TE to bring them in slow. The 16n will take a little getting use to but once U master it U will be glad you have it. On the 400TE get a TRINIDAD 12 POWER HANDLE for your 400TE U will like that handle on your 400TE. Your 400TE with the HIGH EFFICIENCY GEARING { the gears are 30%bigger then any other reel } is alot better then the Penn 975 steel gears for big bladed baits. |
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| I just recently received a Pflueger Contender a couple days ago. I would have gotten a Trinidad but a friend gave me the Pflueger for free. Is anybody else having trouble with casting and getting backlashes on almost every cast? Also, my casts are alot shorter? I find it very difficult to use without the levelwind. It does reel in fast, easy, and smooth but too many other things are convincing me to not even use it. Is anybody else having these problems with their Trinidads, Pens, Pluegers, etc..?
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| Tyler S - 6/4/2008 9:42 AM
I just recently received a Pflueger Contender a couple days ago. I would have gotten a Trinidad but a friend gave me the Pflueger for free. Is anybody else having trouble with casting and getting backlashes on almost every cast? Also, my casts are alot shorter? I find it very difficult to use without the levelwind. It does reel in fast, easy, and smooth but too many other things are convincing me to not even use it. Is anybody else having these problems with their Trinidads, Pens, Pluegers, etc..?
Tyler S
I've used my Torium just a little bit, but I havent had any of these problems.
Without the levelwind, casts should definitely be further. You just need an educated thumb. I find that I can really BOMB a bait with little effort using this reel.
It takes a little getting used to, but these reels really arent that hard to use. |
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| Put my 975 through the paces last year up in Canada -- 6 days straight throwing nothing but cowgirls. Can't say anything bad about it. |
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| lambeau - 6/4/2008 10:25 AM
as for the no levelwind on the retrieve: i held the front cork and ran the line under my thumb and just used a slight left-right movement to guide the line. i didn't have to watch it and it worked fine.
I'd watch out with that...with the speed of these reels you may find yourself with a burn or cut from the braid |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | 3 Things that will help with backlashes with reels that have no line guide.
1- use 80-100lb test braid { I use 80lb Ultracast Invisi braid on my 16N }
2- do over fill reel with line , 1/8" from max
3- buy a narrow spool reel like Trinidad 16n or the Daiwa 30t |
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| I can see no reason that a narrow spool is going to help with backlashes...if anything, the reduced weight of the spool will allow it to spin faster and potentially be more of a pain.
An educated thumb, something most musky fishermen lose since you dont really need it with heavy baits, is all you need to cast with these reels. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | If you have ever cast a wide spool reel with no line guide you would know what I mean. On a wide spool reel with no line guide you have to guide the line on to the reel so it don't go to one side, on a narrow spool you don't have to do that and when you cast a narrow spool reel it is so much easy to thumb the spool when you cast. I had a T12 and got a 16N last fall and it makes a world of difference. I was just sharing my real world experience. |
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| I have cast my Torium, with a wide spool, enough to know that I have no issue with casting or keeping the line even on the spool. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Well at least we both like SHIMANO REELS  |
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| I'd watch out with that...with the speed of these reels you may find yourself with a burn or cut from the braid
you've got the "educated" thumb, i've got the "tough" thumb.
actually, i'm using 100lb SpiderWire InvisiBraid on that combo (paired the Saltist with an 8'6" Okuma XH tele), and it didn't bother my thumb at all, at least in the short time i was testing it.
with my hand on the foregrip the line angle between the last eyelet, my thumb, and the reel is just about perfect so all i have to do is give the line slight taps and it slides side-to-side on it's own. i don't keep my thumb on it constantly as i didn't find any need.
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Location: Hugo, MN | The two reels you mention are apples and oranges. I own the 975, so I'll share my thoughts on that. It is a great reel, built like a tank, and you'll really like it for slower retrieves. However, I think you'll be disappointed if you're looking to use it for fast retrieves. The Trinidad, Torium, and the Saltist or Saltiga, are made for lightning fast retrieval and longer casts. They are really hard to slow down. You have to ask yourself which style is you, or what style the reel will be used for. The 975 is more versatile, with a gear ratio of 4.5? or so, and the levelwind feature. You'll be able to use it for everything except burning baits back to the boat. The high speed reels I mentioned before are just that...high speed. They are kind of a one trick pony, but it's a cool trick. I haven't bought one yet, but when I do, it will be a Torium because I'm not making my least used reel my most expensive reel too. All of these reels are built well, and will perform well for years. You can't go wrong with any of them, it just depends on your intent and expectations. |
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Location: Hugo, MN | For the record, I compared my 975 to my new Okuma Induron IDX-400a. The two each have power handles, and I'll point out that the 975 is not in the long position, so it could have more cranking power if I needed it. I would say the two are pretty darn close in retrieval speed and power. I was very impressed with the Okuma. Now I don't expect the Induron to hold up like the 975, since the gear construction in the 975 so clearly surpasses the smaller gear in the Okuma, BUT in bang for your buck, Okuma can't be beat. Really impressed with its overall performance. Smooth casting, smooth, powerful retrieval, and it has a great drag system. I can't wait to use it. It's going to be the setup I use 50% of the time or more, so we'll see by the end of the year what I really think of it. Hope this helps. |
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | I'm looking to BURN 10's and 13's. I know its easier to winch in the blades with the lower gear ratios.
So are my choices here that the 975 will allow for easier but slower retrival speeds as opposed to more effort but burning them backwith the trinidad. I think I'm getting confused.......
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| NYmuskyhunter - 6/6/2008 1:34 PM
I'm looking to BURN 10's and 13's. I know its easier to winch in the blades with the lower gear ratios.
So are my choices here that the 975 will allow for easier but slower retrival speeds as opposed to more effort but burning them backwith the trinidad. I think I'm getting confused.......
Randy
If you are looking to BURN big blades, the Trinidad (or similar - Torium, Saltiga, etc) is the best choice...period. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The Trinidad and the other reels with no line guide are for burning BIG BLADED BAITS ONLY !!! You can not use that reel for any other bait, you need a bait with a lot of pull to keep the line tight on the spool. So the TRINIDAD IS A ONE LURE REEL , so you will also need a reel like the 400TE, that you said you have for your other baits. The 400TE with a power handle is a reel that you can use on any bait you have even the big bladed baits, but you won't be able to burn them like a TRINIDAD 16N. Your 400TE has gears that are 30% bigger then other reels that size, so that reel is one of the best all around reel you can buy. So you have to ask yourself one ? do I need a reel like the TRINIDAD 16N ? Well do you ??? 
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | LOL, Richard. At 5'7' and 160 lbs, I NEED all the help I can get. And unless your gonna come and burn them in for me, i guess I really do need that one trick pony after all.
thanks
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | 975 all the way. the quality is unmatched in my opinion. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Pike master you're wrong about it being a big blade only reel. I was just using it for spinner baits and regular sized bucktails today. I even have thrown muskie candy with it.
It's not going to be a good reel for any presentation that may cause slack in your line, but for things like bucktails, spinnerbaits and cranks I think it's fine.
BTW, it reels in Eagle Tails like they weren't even there! |
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | hey Muskie treats, what size (weight) spinnerbaits were you throwing? Brand?
Thx
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | M&G |
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| I bought a trinidad 14 over the winter and tried it out quite a bit this past weekend. I used it with double 12 and double 13 bucktails. I was happy with how the reel performed and I really didn't have line placement problems on the spool. The only thing I had trouble with was with my left wrist getting tired from holding the rod. These huge blades have a tremendous amount of resistance. The reel is good for burning but this is something you will not want to do all day. |
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| Lambeau,
Are you saying that you've had to use your thumb/fingers to guide the line on your Saltist during the retrieve? If so, is this something you do every time?
I've got the same reel you are using on order and worry that the line won't spread somewhat evenly across the spool like on the Torium 16 I've been using. There is no issue at all with the line laying out evenly on that reel.
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Location: Verona, WI | Brian,
I have the same Saltist Lambeau has and threw it for about an hour and a half straight last night i my first extended period of time with the reel. I never had a pile of line on one side/middle of the reel. The biggest problem I had was forcing myself to slow down as I kept blowing out the DCG on the surface.
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Location: Eagan, MN | Shane, that is good to know. Any other thoughts about the reel?
I've been using BTurg's Torium 16 for a couple of weeks now on loan. I like the reel and would purchase one, except that the Saltist had one more bearing than the Torium, so I thought this would be a tish smoother.
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Location: Verona, WI | Brian,
I've never used a Torium but I am sure it's a good reel. I really do like the Saltist and it's going to have a full time spot in my boat for the rest of the season. If you want do a quick search for Saltist review - I did one right after I bought the reel and took it out for the first time. Waldo who posts on this site occasionally is my regular boat partner and he bought a Saltist at the same time I did and he likes his as well.
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| Is the Daiwa Saltist STT30TH |
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| Is the Daiwa Saltist STT30TH the same width as the Trinidad 16N? |
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