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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Yes I have, as he gets his leaders from the same place I get mine from...Stealth Tackle.
If you use 100 you are running a risk of getting bit off, having it fray way to easily, and having to change out your leader more often than you need to. Remember clear is clear....100 is just as clear as 300....so why not use something that is stronger, will hold up longer and is more resistant to fraying????
Sorry for trying to teach people anything....and sure you CAN use 50 pound to land a musky...but you can also SNAP it very easily...one big head shake...one crazy alligator roll up to the line and SNAP...
I am only trying to tell people what is BEST. But again, I know that I couldn't possbily know anything....
There is a reason why ALL the guides I know use 80 or 100 pound on EVERYTHING.......but again they probably don't know much either. |
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| so why do you only use 130lb?
if clear is clear and bigger is better why don't you use 300? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Because it is VERY hard to tie the heavier flouro. We started tying 150 and now I have those. We had Jason Long request tied 200 and Stealth finally figured out how to tie that....so I am sure I will have some of those as well. It is all about getting a TIGHT quality knot and until recently 130 is all John could tie. Any other questions? |
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | I don't know why you would take Mike's advice, I mean he only does this for a living. I'd much prefer the advice of a guy that fishes 8 or 9 times a year.
I also use nothing less than 80lb test on any of my rigs. I use 50lb for pulling largemouth bass out of heavy cover, and I have had 5lb bass break off.
I caught a 52 incher on 8lb mono a few years ago, so what I was just lucky. If you want to fish for Muskies get the best equipment, don't settle for anything less.
Thanks for the tip Mike, there are some here that appreciate it. 
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| could depend on casting vs trolling too. I know some people who put over 100 fish in the boat per year, "just like Mike", and use 30 and 50 lb mono on their trolling rods.
many ways to skin the cat fellas |
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| thanks for the advice again everyone im not casting a mag dawg im casting a topraider for 1 DAY and thats it until i buy some 80lb line.and again topraiders float so if i loose it i can go and get it |
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| muskykid08 - 3/24/2008 12:08 PM
thanks for the advice again everyone im not casting a mag dawg im casting a topraider for 1 DAY and thats it until i buy some 80lb line.and again topraiders float so if i loose it i can go and get it
No one is saying that you won't be fine for one day or a few days. They are suggesting that if you plan to get out on the water for more then a few days, you should look into some heavier line (80-100lb)
Don't stress over the details... |
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| Whoaaaaaa.... This thread has gone all across the map!LOL Muskiekid, if you live in the Chicagoland area, I'll give you a brand new spool of 80#PP. This way you won't even have to go one day without it.LOL I kinda of favor the Suffix & courtland brand myself.
Well I see we'll have plenty of conversation in youre boat, Mike (April 5th) Looking forward to it!! Hopefully the lakes will be ice free!
Chas
Edited by Chas 3/24/2008 1:51 PM
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| i think all of you guys exspecially mike will be happy to here that i just got baxk from the store with a spool of 80lb powerpro annd im spooling my reel as I type this.just so there is no more arguements thats 50lb is too small....thanks for everyones help and mike is the one thay pushed me to not use my 50lb line for even a day....thanks for that too i know i will be much happier with the bigger line.
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| Sorry for trying to teach people anything....and sure you CAN use 50 pound to land a musky...but you can also SNAP it very easily...
absolutely, that's why you have to pair it with the proper rod/reel/drag combination and play the fish properly.
there ARE techniques (to catch more fish) which work better on lighter line or even on mono. other people have taught me that, and i took the time to listen, try it out, and discovered that it worked better for me on those techniques.
teaching's funny that way, sometimes it involves listening as much as talking.
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| 65lb braid + mepps maribou +backlash = lost lure.
That's my personal experience. Mike is right, using anything less is selling yourself as well as these fish short. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Lambeau,
I have yet to ever find a reason I need to use anything less than 80 pound or use anything BUT a reel made for musky fishing like a Luna or a 400 TE. And I don't think "throwing a topraider" dictates using a bass rod and a bass reel or spinning reel. I simply use musky gear for musky fishing...and I would like to think I do pretty well. No need to use anything less in my opinion. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I use 50# quite a bit on my low profile reels for Sue, and the low profiles I use when my hands get sore and tired. No problems breaking a lure off, because the line, lure, and rod are matched. The Topraider is a perfect lure for this application. All 50# test lines are not equal, I might add.
I ice fish gills with 2# test. I also ice fish them with 6#. I fish soft water bass with 6#. I also fish soft water bass with 12#. I don't use the same rod/reel sets for either set of examples.
I don't use 50# on my heavy Figs or Okumas and my Induron 400's, though. Those outfits are for the heavier artillery, and I use 80# there.
I don't give a tin horn what others use, this works great for me and has for years, and I'll keep right on using those outfits. And, it's all Muskie tackle. Right stuff for the right tackle, but that's my choice. Some use the same rods, reels and line for every application. I choose not to.
For my Muskie creatures I use 14 to 17# mono. No worries ever breaking off a fish, not going to happen, and way more effective on a spinning rod than superline. Still whip the fish in no time, too. One couldn't use 80# for that application if one had too. Mr. Hulbert, you fish the way you want, and I'll fish the way I want, OK? Doesn't mean you are right or I am right, it just means we use different equipment and we both are very successful doing so. |
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Location: WI | I used 65lb all of last year and didn't have any problems w/ lost lures on a backlash or a fish snapping the line. However, I am making a move to 80lb this year just b/c I want to try to shorten up the fight a little bit more and I think the 80lb will give me more control over the fish. A quick release is what I am looking for. |
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| MIKE JUST SEND THE KID SOME 80 POUND POWER PRO.... |
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| All I can say is that if you are gonna throw 50 lb you better have a slower action rod. Power pro doesn't stretch and as soon as you get one backlash you are going to be cussing becasue your $20 lure can't be found. I think you would be able to use the 500 with a slower rod as the rod would take on some of the stress but then you won't have the hook setting power needed for the mighty esox masquinongy. SO JUST USE 80 OR HIGHER |
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| guys i went and bought a few spools of 80lb powerpro so its all good...im not going to use 50lb line not even one time. |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | Like some of you have stated you have to match your gear properly but you also have to match your gear to the experience of the user also. It seemed to many read way to much into this. It's obvious that Muskykid is just getting started and doesn't have a lot of experience so I would have given the same advice as Mike H. You can cast and fish an array of lures with 80# test but have the security of the added poundage to help cushion the lack of experience. There are times when walleye fishing with my young kids that the fish prefer finesse presentations but I won't hand them a rod with 2# or 4# test just because I know they will more than likely break off on fish and not have fun. I see both sides and there are times when 'specialized' gear is required but I thought it was sound advice for a beginner fisherman with probably one, maybe two rods set up, and is just building his gear. Wish I had this advice years ago with my first rod and reel set up with 50# and watching my lure fly through the air after a backlash and break off! |
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| Like my dad always says, "better have your drag set right" if you don't have it set, your screwed from the get go! I have lost a bulldog on the 1st cast using 30 lb mono when I first started, never even got to reel it in. ALWAYS double check your spool tension before making the 1st cast! ALWAYS! |
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| I'll just throw my 2 cents worth in here.
65 PP for tails and small cranks
80 for topwaters and larger cranks
100 for jerks
I'd probably skip 65 in the future but I have 3000 yards of it. |
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| I personally use 40#pp on my jig/creature rod and 80#pp on everything else. I disagree with the notion that folks have to have 80# or more no matter what. I happen to love 80# PP, the stuff has never let me down. But the rod/reel/line/etc is a system; if everything is working right, especially the drag, it's amazing what you can bring to the boat. Consider steelheaders who use 6# mono for big fish in heavy current. |
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