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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Anybody ever heard of this? Some less than ethical musky fisherman explained it to my brother who relayed the technique to me...
attach a sucker to a length of line with a huge bobber run up and attached to a cane pole. Drop set up in water, leaving the entire rig, sucker, bobber, and pole. Go to another spot and drop another rig. Go to another spot and drop another rig. The guy who explained it said he'll drop up to 8-10 of these and then travel from one to the other looking to see if the rig is 'moving' with a musky on it. Besides exceeding the limit on line numbers, seems like a great way to gut-hook a musky. I'm not sure if this guy was for real....seems too detailed to have made it up.
Wondering if this is some old-timers technique or what? Would it even be legal to leave out 3 rigs like that? |
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Location: On your favorite spot | I've heard of such techniques before, wouldn't doubt it's really done. Old habits die hard, you'd think a jugline would be more effective. |
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Location: Chicago | Yes it is real. I have been told about people who do it with suckers that are tied on (no hooks). |
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| Sounds a lot like a "trot line." Which each state has regs on "trot lines" and lines that are unattended... |
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Location: nationwide | Does not sound "legal" to me, although it rings of jug fishing, like the Burmeks used to do around the Hayward area. I wonder why that never got investigated and brought to light . . . . but I digress.
Corey Meyer
Edited by muskymeyer 11/5/2007 3:02 PM
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| I heard they used to drop the pole only after setting the hook. They'd then let the fish "play out" before grabbing the pole again and netting it. I would have to believe this to be an illegal technique in many states. Especially with the use of multiple rigs. |
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| Why not look for em in the shallows in the spring and shoot em...............at least that would take SOME skill. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Jug fishing was still in practice here in Oneida County when I started fishing the area. Same idea as a cane pole, but using a plastic jug. |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Then there's the one my grandpa told me about.....
"....I'd trap some chippers and put em n a box and take with me...then I'd wrap up one a dem furry guys in hooks and put em on a board and push it over this downed tree ....then I'd yank em off dat board an he'd swim fer dear life! Sometimes, not always...up would come a big ol musky and i'd club her when i finally gets her to da boat!"
For years I thought he was making that up until I actually read it an article.....
Times have changed but considering he was fishing w/o a locater, trolling motor, gps, and knowing he was as desperate as we sometimes get, I s'pose I might've done the same 50 years ago! |
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Location: Rhinelander. | In the barber shop I have heard it several times about cane poles and suckers. The story I hear is that after they set the hook they throw the pole into the lake and follow it for an hour or so. When the musky has tored from pulling the pole they retrieve it and haul in the musky.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Yeah sounds like jug fishing - sounds like it would be illegal and very unethical.
BTW: where the heck are they buying the cane poles. I wanted to teach my grandchildren how to fish with a cane pole. It was my first fishing pole! My grandpa used to fish northern pike with one & a daredevil in the local river. The best I've done so far is a collapsible crappie pole. However, it doesn't provide the same Huck Fin type experience. Does anyone know where I can get real cane poles here in WI?
Thanks
Al
Edited by ESOX Maniac 11/6/2007 9:36 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I actually had the idea back a very long time ago to set tip ups on floating platforms. Just let the suckers pull 'em around. Never tried it, but getting a flag and fighting a big muskie by hand would be crazy. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Steve- I've done that for northern pike using Beaverdam tipup's thether'd to the boat with parachute cord on the Mississippi while jigging for walleye's. It works! better than using bobber's, i.e., no resistance to the fish taking line.
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| I seen a guy on the Fox Chain use foam squares with tip ups in them, then go back to his home, he had at least 3 out, I called the DNR, I don't think that was legal. there was no ice on the water.
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Isn't that how the reinhart now frabill round tip ups were originally intended? I thought I saw an interview a while back with the inventor saying that's what he used them until they made him stop so he sold them as tip ups instead. Does that ring any bells with anyone?
I do know during late ice those frabills float real nice on top of the water around my holes.
LOL!
Edited by Jono 11/6/2007 3:20 PM
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Location: Eau Claire,WI | If my faded memory serves me right,I remember hearing about a 40 or 50 pounder caught out of Butternut lake in the 1940's using a cane pole by the float method.
Al, I think Bills sport shop in Chippwea Falls sells cane poles,I can get a phone # if you want to make a call... |
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| Round orange Frabills float. You can also add more styrofoam to the bottom in open areas once the arm is deployed. Some guys from Kansas bought some and called and re-ordered them because they had fun fishing them in open water. The guys would use paddle boats to chase them around the lake for bass and pike. |
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Location: The desert | My dad used to sell bats (the flying critters, not the musky club type) to musky fisherman....apparently they were pretty good bait.
I enjoy fly fishing for bats.....if you have never tried it...do it, its a riot! |
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| I no that when louie spray was a kid he use to row troll with a frog and a cane pole. I wonder how rats would work??? |
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| I heard louie would staple a rats tail to a block of wood for a top water bait. |
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Location: Monee, Illinois | Rats work good since a buddy of mine has a bat that looks like a rat and he has caught 4 fish in my boat on it.. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | This thread is getting very weird. If it gets any stranger...
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Location: chicago | What is the bait called that looks like a bat!!!! |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Seems like some folks can't resist mocking something they don't understand.
What's so odd about fishing a small river for northern pike with a cane pole? A 16' - 18' cane pole, 15'-20' of 50lb dacron line, 8" steel leader, red & white daredevil or small bucktail. Ether work. The advantage to the daredevil is you can jig it in the holes, i.e., around downed trees. This is not much different than using flyrod, i.e., a cane pole has a lot of flexibility and they are extremely tough. My Granpa Kidd used to catch some pretty nice nothern pike this way. In fact with a 30'-50' wide river with lots of downed trees, it's more effective than using a rod & reel and casting a lure.
As for floating Beaverdam's thether'd to the boat. How do you fish Mississippi River wngdam's after the ice is on the river? Wingdam's are some of the river's best rock structure and typically hold fish all year long, especially walleye's and northern pike. Well if you have a real death wish you can try it the conventional way, i.e., on foot, snowmobile or ATV. Ask any ice fisherman that fish the Mississippi. When the ice is on the river, the wingdam's are down right dangerous places.
There are two basic scenarios: The first is if the river is iced over completely. Very dangerous- especially if there's snow on the ice. Depending on the ice conditions & weather, the wingdam's can have very thin ice in front of the wingdam, on top & behind it, i.e., where you can be on 6"-18" of good ice & then take one step and be in the water. Believe me you do not want to go through the ice in any Mississippi River current, i.e., whether it's the main channel or a running slough.. Your first challenge is to grab/hook the edge of the ice with the crook of your arm to keep from being dragged under it, and you had better have some ice spikes that you can grab in less than 5 seconds. The number one rule is never fish alone!
The other scenario is most common in warm winters, early ice and late ice. i.e., that the wingdam's will be open & surrounded by ice. There is only one way to fish these, i.e., with an 10'-12' flatbottom boat (drag it out with you), a flat bottom boat w/ "ice scratcher", or an airboat (now I use my airboat). When the water is open on the wingdam's we would set an anchor in front of the wing dam & using the current let enough line out to set the boat on the back side. Then float out the beaverdam's and start working the entire wingdam with jig's, etc. even casting crankbaits. It really works for both walleye's & northern's. If you don't have an airboat you do need a few specialized tools, i.e., like an ice spike pole, etc. to get the boat back up onto the ice when you're done fishing.
Aaah! What about bat's for bait? It may seem pretty strange but while night fishing in the moonlight. for largemouth bass on local cranberry marshes (actually pitch black nights are most productive), I've watched two bat's get eaten when they accidently came in to low chasing bugs.
The Heddon Crazy Crawler is an awesome night time largemouth bass bait. I see no reason why an muskie wouldn't take a bat given the right opportunity. When a bat hits the watter, of course there's the splash, then the bat starts fluttering it's wing's. That was their major mistake. The first one was gone in less than 30 seconds. The second more like a minute.
As for bat lures- Ive got one of these around here somewhere.
http://www.ustacould.com/lures/babybat7.jpg
http://www.ustacould.com/lures/babybat8.jpg
BTW: My Uncle Albert said the worst live mammal to use for muskie bait was a red squirrel, i.e., even with leather gloves they would bite the cr$p out of you while trying to get the harness on them.
Paul- Thanks, I'm all set!
Have fun!
Al
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