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| I fish alone alot, and I know that I'm prepared.
I have all the tools laid out before I start fishing....2 pairs a Knipex, jaw spreaders, long nose Vise grips.....they are a must......and more.
Hooks are cheap, so I started cutting every hook about 5 years ago after a 40 ish fish thrashed in the net after I cut the hooks in her mouth, and she got the uncut hook right above her eye. Now once I net them, I start cutting every hook that I can see making it safer for me and the fish, lastly I cut the line and pull the lure out and then go back in and pull out the pieces of hook from the outside and inside of her mouth.....that is the job for the needlenose Visegrips.
BTW, I keep 2 sets of release tools in the boat and have one on the port side and one starboard so which ever side of the boat that I land the fish, I have the tools right there on hand. Fishing with 2 guys, it's like a surgeon and a nurse. One cuts and the other hands tools. |
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| You're all a bunch of optimists, I like that. |
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Location: Nebraska | esoxaddict - 10/31/2007 10:05 AM
Anybody using barbless hooks?
I went to barbless on everything. Yes, I lost a fish this year, but who cares? I can't prove that it was due to the barbless. It really simplifies the release. 1/2 of them come free when the fish hits the net. |
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Location: Barrington, Il | I think gloves are very important in the unhooking process. I have a pair of the rubber plumbers gloves Musky Hunter used to sell. They give me the confidence to reach in grab a fish before the unhooking process. They also keep your hands dry which is very important in late fall. Knipex are also a must have. Needed to cut hooks last weekend and they did a very quick job. |
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| I used my buddys knipex and it worked great but so does my 10 dollar bolt cutter I got at the hardware store. I cant beleive how much they get for those things! |
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| Cant beat Knipex. Im an hvac guy and have been using the same pair of sidecutters for the past 15 years. Still work the same as new. They are the first thing I make sure I have when Im packing up to leave a job. |
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| Im more than prepaired,2 pairs of everything and have delt with just every type of removal known to man including through the gills a few times.Been hooked a few times NOT FUN.But i can honestly say that i enjoy the process of hook removal and pride myself on my abilities to quickly and safely remove hooks,i find this to be one of the fun parts of muskie fishing and enjoy it.That tense feeling you get while working on a fish and that overwellming sense of accomplishment and relief you get when all goes well,i live for that moment.I find that weather it be in my boat or someone elses boat i am always the removal man and just cant get in that net fast enough,like a dirty shirt.
One word of advice to the inexperienced is to not be afraid and have confidence in your abilities to remove the hooks,nervousness leads to mistakes,HAVE CONFIDENCE DONT BE SCARED OF THE FISH!
On another note,how do you guys feel about your fingers going through the lower jaw membrane when you grab that gill plate and make a fist and start working and the fish decides to try and make a death roll but ya dont dare let go!This happens to me every once in a while but i always am concerned for the fish afterwards,do you guys think that this will heal up ok,i asume it will but i always wonder.What do ya think?I know its done to cull bass all the time with no ill effects but bass seem to be tougher than muskies when it comes to handling and delayed mortality.
Also what do you guys think the chances are for the survival of a fish is that has taken lets say a bull dog really deep and is all hooked up in the gill arches and bleeding upon capture,assuming that you removed or cut the hooks out and surgury went smooth.Scenario.Y our holding the fish at boat side trying to revive and initially during and after surgury there was sugnifigant bleeding due to the area of planted hooks but soon into revival the fish appears to stops bleeding and swims away strong.Due you guys think most if not all of these fish survive?Also i was wondering if you guys have had fish not come back for apparenlty no reason at all,the whole process goes extreamly well but the fish just wont come back to life.What gives?This wasnt intended to hijack this thread i just thought it was a perfect platform to address questions that i think alot of us wonder about.
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| You also need them to get hooks out of the head.
I know... from experience... it hurts for the fish as well...  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Actually, no, it doesn't 'hurt for the fish as well', because the fish's brain is less complex and they do not process 'pain' as mammals do. Just a note to keep PETA informed... |
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| i have used the cheapo cutters before and they eventually ware-out, go dull, or break.....they just arent meant to cut that wire that large....the knipex are spendy, but they will last you a long long time and eventually they pay off after you have been through four or five of the cheap ones. bad deal when you need to cut hooks and your cutters are worn  |
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Location: Downers Grove, IL | I recommend getting the spring loaded Knipex. They make cutting with one hand a lot easier as the other versions seem to stick together after a couple seasons. Keep em lubed up with WD40 too.
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Location: Chicago | Great topic. There was many times when I fished by myself where I can't rely on people to help me. I try to get as many tools that can help me safely & quickly release a fish, no matter how it's hooked. Here's a pic of some release tools I carry in the boat, anything I should add to the collection?
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Location: Tomahawk, Wisconsin | Yup good topic bro, I will see you next week, ARE YOU PREPARED?????? |
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Location: Twin Cities | Steve Worrall - 10/31/2007 4:25 AM
Actually, no, it doesn't 'hurt for the fish as well', because the fish's brain is less complex and they do not process 'pain' as mammals do. Just a note to keep PETA informed...
I'm curious, why do they thrash about so bad once hooked then?
RE: Gear. I can't endorse this thread enough. I now keep everyhting I need in the boat, at the beginning of this season I took a hook in the hand getting a fish out of the net and wasn't as prepared as I should've been. Absolutely the LEAST fun thing i've ever done in a boat was pushing the barb back through in another spot, then trying not to kill my friend as he took 3 attempts to cut the hook with a craptastic cutter....two hands, shaking he was squeezing so hard, of course with me knowing every movement he made.
Two results of this. I have all the suggested gear, been very happy to always have it when needed. Second is I fish barbless and have seen no adverse affect. Hooks practically jump out once in the net. Makes life SO much easier.
Edited by JRedig 10/31/2007 5:41 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's not because of 'pain', and that's a fact. Do a bit of research on the subject, there's a ton of relevant info out there.
Here's a little to look into:
http://fishscam.com/faqPain.cfm
There are also some research teams that claim the opposite, but from the extensive work I have read and what seems to be mainstream thinking on the subject that seems to be an argument of semantics, not physiology. |
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Location: Bemidji | Last year I had a 50in fish thrash while it had a set of jawsreaders in its mouth and it put them through its gills, one end was sticking through one set of gills and the other side was sticking through the other set of gills. I couldn't cut the jaw spreaders with the Knipex so I had to reach in its mouth and carefully pull them out. The next day I bought a HUGE pair of bolt cutters that would do the job. I have never had to use them to cut jaw spreaders but I will be prepared if it ever happens in the future. There is no such things as having too many tools in the boat. |
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| i really like having one of these in the boat....
www.hookpick.com
i have been in other people's boats and seen them put to use. they are just awesome
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I used one this summer on a Canada trip; it saved me alot of cuts on the pinkies with all the 30 to 38" pike. Great release tool tomcat. |
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| Steve great topic. I thought that I was prepared until it happened. Luckily I was in your boat and you took over. I learned allot from that experience and am hoping to put it to use on more big fish. Even the couple of smaller fish that I have caught since I have had smoother releases. I think everyone could benifit from watching an experienced guide unhook a huge fish, I know I did.
I hope I am not the reason that you brought this up  |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | I have never seen one of these "hook picks" but man...easy to see how it would be used. I have always used the largest baker hook-out and have done well with it, and if it cannot get the hook out, it's cut. I definitely will be adding that tool to my arsenal for next year. How long is the tool anyway? I think the longer the better and if the commercially made ones are not long enough, I'll make my own somehow.
One suggestion that I have not seen here on your tools, though... Go to walmart, target, or any shoe store and buy a few sets of those "curly shoelaces" that are like the old telephone cords. (yes..it will be in the girls footwear section...HEY...YOU CAN GET PINK IF YOU WANT, OR EVEN GLOW IN THE DARK!!)
Attatch two of them together, then tie one end to your tool, the other end to the boat. (especially handy on the jaw spreaders.... nice to get the thing back after it goes "fling" from the fish thrashing with it in) This way, the tools are always attatched, and if dropped, you don't lose your nice set of $50 knipex in the drink.
The things stretch to about 6 feet, and when coiled, they are about 12 inches long. So....no messy strings laying around, the tools are all ready to go at a moment's notice, and for the most part, not inhibiting the use of the tool. I drilled a hole in the handle of my knipex (did a number on the bit doing so) to tie the lanyard to, but it took some time. Well worth it, though...
Steve
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | The Hook Pick is definitely a must have tool in the boat. Once you see what they can do, you'll really be impressed. They are about 15" in length, including the handle and the metal rod. It has a lanyard attached already that you can put around your wrist in case you do happen to lose a grip on it. If you ever get a deep hooked musky, this tool can save that fish's life, without question.
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Location: WI | I caught a big one while fishing alone in Sept. I'm lucky in that I somehow can keep my cool under pressure and save the freaking out until afterwards. A good, big net is the first important thing IMO. Then comes the long pliers and bolt cutters. I didn't even bother with a photo as my camera was still in the rod locker and I had no way to figure out how to take a pic without stressing the fish more.
I grabbed it, it shook...I held on (despite a now bleeding finger...measure it...measured it again because I didn't believe it...and then let it go. All over in about as long as it took to read this reply. Crazy! I always wondered how I would react, if it would ever even happen. My previous best was a 40 incher and I topped it by 10 inches. |
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Location: st boni, mn | what cuts the most time of releasing a fish for me is my net. a good rubber coated net can save alot of time and hassle, to many times i have seen or been with fellow fisherman that have a net that when a fish gets in they roll, and they get so tangled up that they spend way to much time getting that fish loose. ive been there and its no fun, the net i have saves me time and frustration when handling fish, it doesnt tangle as much or if all. |
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That hook pick deal looks like a real handy tool, glad I read this post just for seeing that.
One other thing that can make releasing go a whole lot better, is to make sure your boat partner knows where everything is, how to use it, etc. as soon as you get on the water.
Especially important when fishing with a new partner, guy new to fishing etc. Make sure they know to hold the net bag so it doesn't tangled, what to clear when you hook one, etc. etc.
I'm becoming a bigger fan of barbless all time, it makes releasing very easy, especially when alone.
Great topic.
JS
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | Steve's "are you prepared?" post should be posted at every boat launch around the greater Green Bay area. There are alot of "instant newbies" that are doing the fish up there an injustice, because they are so poorly equipped, and uneducated in the proper methods of releasing those fish un-harmed. |
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Location: Sandusky, OH | My friend and his dad helped another musky guy out of a sticky situation last June; the guy was fishing solo and hooked a small, mid-30's fish. Because it wasn't huge, he decided to pick it up rather than net it, and he ended up attached to a Cobb's when he slipped his hand inside the gill plate. Also left his hook cutters at home. My buddie's dad cut him free, but it was far from a clean release (for the fish and the fisherman).
Never take a small fish for granted; they seem to 'freak out' a lot.
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| This is a question I've asked myself a few times. Personally I've never caught anything over 39 inches, but last fall I was able to net, and photo a 48+ a good friend caught. He was pretty experianced, and there were no snags on any part of the catch. I like to think I learned alot fishing with him, and that prepared me for another big fish last weekend. As usual I was the one doing the net job, but this was the first time the angler I was with got anything over 42". The photo wasn't that pretty, the hooks came out quick, and we didn't get a great measurement or girth the fish at all. Our main focus was getting the fish back with the least amount of stress possible. Best we can gather is it was around 47-48, but could have been a little longer.
Last year, if this would have happened in my boat, there would have been total chaos, and the fish most likely would have suffered. But because of knowledge, and experiance watching what to properly do when handling a large fish we were able to release it with no harm done to the fish other than 1 bleeding tooth.
You can read all you want, but time on the water, and watching/experiancing it first hand will teach you alot more than you can ever prepare yourself for.
Now I just have to pray it happens to me someday!
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| Sometimes it takes more than being prepared. True story I'll make short. 10 boats on Garrison Reef last Friday due to the high winds from the NW. I know several people in the area , and get a call asking if we saw that guy catch that monster. Didn't see anything so we kept fishin'. 10 minutes later I get a call about the same thing, but these guys see the fish belly up."It's been belly up for 10 minutes"! We buzz over there and see this PIG in a bad way. After scooping her and working her alongside the boat, we decide it's livewell time. In she goes. Maybe not. Too big. Two of us hold her upright with her head under the stream. After what seemed like an eternity, she made a strong kick. It's almost time. Two of us lift her from the livewell and place her in the water. Takes a minute to get her bearings and she starts kickin'!! I let go and she swims away. We FOLLOW the fish until she heads for the depths. Wow! We then go by the boat that caught the fish and ask how big it was. 53 1/2 X 25. "A 40 pounder". I know, we just revived it and watched her swim away. There were several witnesses to the catch and bumble that followed. Waaaaay too many pictures, dropped in the bottom of the boat and the coup de grace.......a St. Clair torpedo release. Of course she went down initially! Purpose of this story???? Follow your releases and always keep an eye out for the opportunity to help the fishery. This fish was one of the "Big Brown Fish", a Wisconsin strain , and an absolute tanker. She still swims , so go catch her again. We have the whole "revival" on video. Steve
Edited by Steve Jonesi 11/6/2007 7:43 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Great post, Steve, and I hope those guys fortunate enough to have caught that fish now have a better understanding of good CPR practices. It was a great start to release the fish, but the rest of that process definitely needed work. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I have some great tools (long needle nose pliers, bolt cutters, jaw spreaders, good no puncture gloves, etc.). My question is, do any of you know or have bolt cutters with long handles? I have not had a problem as I have great gloves too but last year I got a monster pike in Canada on a Bulldawg and all but the top hook were buried. I was able to get the first set of treble hooks out and realized right away the back hooks were trouble. I have to stick my hand with bolt cutters inside the mouth to cut two and then I was able to get the last barb free. If I did not have the glove I am not sure that fish would have lived. With that said, I go back to the longer handle bolt cutters. I was able to get one other piece out by going through the gills very carefully.
PS-I do not have that hook pic. Great tool and I will be adding one to the set this winter. Thanks for that one and a great thread Steve! |
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