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| I love the work but does anybody agree with me that somebody should edit the forum to create an artwork section. If you don't use it as bait why is it called bait? Don't get me wrong I don't think these types should stop being posted as I am amazed every time I see them but there are quite a few "lures" that don't even look like they would do anything besides float through the water. I just wish there was a place for baits people are going to throw and baits they are going to hang on their wall. It would help to seperate form from function. Because the ones that have both are just phenomenal. |
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| This section is for handmade custom baits. How can you say what their action in the water would be without trying them? This section of this great site is for people to show their custom made stuff off and for everyone to get idea's from one another and pointers on how to make custom baits. While the foiling, realistic finishes, detailed carvings, and even dorsal fins aren't needed for the baits to catch fish they are amazing to see, and I enjoy looking at them and they generate a lot of interest and draw people to this site. I know they do me, I visit often just to look at them. None of the makers have said they are making their baits for just wall hangers it has only been suggested that they are worthy of hanging from one's wall as they are art in every sense of the word. I believe though that every bait posted on here was designed by the builder to catch fish.
You sir may want to rethink your position, it may be you that are in the wrong area of this site. There's plenty of factory made baits to look at in other sections.
All you customer bait builder's ROCK ON!!! |
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| All the lures I have seen on here so far are all fishable "baits". If they are used or not is always up to the buyer/owner. I am sure that there are many "functional" baits that have been (dis)qualified as "formal/art" baits by the owner of that bait.
So don't stop being amazed about these baits and remember, you never know if a bait is only art or a real fishcatcher unless you use it.....and you will be amazed how many lures have caught fish that were qualified as "just art" by some fishermen but were in fact the best and most original lure ever to be created....
So just enjoy these creations and make sure you don't call a bait art to fast cause you might end up being a (very) functional bait killer.  |
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| Hand made, collectible duck decoys are the original form of American folk art, and so are fishing lures. But we still call them decoys, don't we? We might differentiate between "working decoys", and "coffee table decoys", but they are still decoys.
Some of the lures shown here are true master pieces, but I haven't seen one that was labled, "Not Intended for Fishing." As far as I can tell, they all have srew eyes, so that indicates that they could be fished.
I spent lots of dollars years ago on many Hughes Rivers. Guys would gasp when I would put one on my line. "You're gonna fish with that?" Hell yes. That's what I bought it for. Actually it turned out to be an investment, because when I lost my job I sold all but 6 of my HR's to pay for my vacation. The only ones that I have now are ones that I got from my daughter as gifts, and some 1999 and 2000 models.
I see no reson to seperate anything. In my eyes, they are all pieces of art. Some are just more artistic than others.
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| Very well said Beaver. I just don't understand all the criticism of some people and the way they have to get so serious about everything. Like fishing, building a bait is suppose to be fun and hopefully people get enjoyment out of looking at these pieces of working art. No different that the sportsman who pays top dollar for a decked out hunting rifle with all the inlays, checkering and fancy metal work. Will a 350 dollar plastic stocked gun bring down a deer as well as one of these fancy firearms, well sure. Will a 30 dollar Walmart knife skin the deer as well as a 400 dollar custom made stag antler handled knife, sure. The point is a lot of people me included like owning unique things, whether it be a hand engraved gold pocket watch or that one of a kind fishing rod. Why should fishing baits be any different?
If your not one of those people that enjoy unique things then you don't have to buy them, if you don't enjoy looking at them then by all means don't. It's a free country, do as you please. |
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| I want to make sure that all that read this post don't think that I am critisizing anyone. Because I am not. I love all the baits I see on here they are wonderful. I has simply thinking that it would be nice to have the forum devided into an art work section and a bait section. Just as there is a general discusion forum and a tackle section. Actually in antisipation to see more ART. This would allow users to post pictures of art that isn't even in the form of a bait or baits that are way to special to ever throw into a lake. The intent was never to put anyone down. I appologize for any confusion |
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| Ok maybe for art as in paintings, but as far as baits go what do you consider "to special to throw" ?? as Beaver stated no one is labeling their baits, no matter how special to you they may be, as unfishable. Even Rowhunter has stated he's planning on fishing his dorsal finned wonder. So when you can come up with what category who's bait should be under and have all the makers happy about it then maybe. I know if I were Rowhunter, or any of the other makers on here I wouldn't want my bait under a category "just for display" when I spent the time and trouble some of these guy's do of running thru-wire or extra strength screw eyes, weighting, cutting in a diving lip and so on. What's so hard about looking at all the baits presented on here and saying to yourself ok, I'd display that one but fish this one. No hard task really. I personally have not seen one bait on here yet where I feel the maker would be willing to list it as a display only bait. |
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Location: canada | just my thoughts, if its a one of kind bait, you wouldnt fish it, but if you like me and other makers, you make them to be fished, we all start out with trying to make a bait, using a lure you like, and then try to copy it, eventually you try diff baits etc, and most people will let there creative juices flow, and come up with a lure of there own design or action that they need that lure to do, where they fish or what they fish for, etc etc, then you get the bug as they call it and try to make a thousand diff baits, smacking your head against a wall trying to figure out all the weightings, lip style, placement, line ties etc etc, and it always boils down to a few baits you can make that are the cats ass so to speak, they work amazing for you and your buddies or whoever gets to fish one of them, so then you finally bite the bullet so to speak, and like the old saying do what you do best, so you make that one bait as best you can, if the action is where its at and cant be improved, the next steps are little modifacations, like my frog for example, top water, try and make it subsurface, add a prop , etc etc, when that is done( like the mind ever stops trying to figure out something new for your go to lure HA HA) then you are left with the painting, which is the art, gill carving, mouths, fins, etc, then the paint, you try to always make it better from one lure to the next, and most all builders are anal in trying to improve ther paint, making it more life like, or just a diff pattern thats screams come and bite me, no matter which one, you always are trying to step it up, try something new, and then you find you have more lures in your possesion that you could ever use in a lifetime,and you dont hesitate to throw them, because you have more that you are making to feed your addiction, and are trying new paints etc with them, so the oh my god its to pretty to fish or its the only one i have, doesnt apply to you, because you make them, to me it boils down to if you want to fish it, and are scared to lose it, buy 2 of them, one for the display case , one for mr teeth, because lets face it, if your out there chucking a snax bait, or a rowhunter, woodie or grunt plug, and your terrified of losing it , your confindence is shot and so will your fishing, sorry to ramble, just my 1 canadian cent
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Location: Muskoka Ontario,Canada | The favourite baits I ever made were the ones I made for my friend Sean Tremblay. He's had to do some pretty major repair to make them still fishable after all the teeth that have gnawed away the epoxy. No complaints either. It's sweet seeing that all my hard work and hours of detailing ended up fooling a big old musky. After all, that's why we do this isn't it?
That being said, I think there are some baits that are bordering on being actual replicas or decoy type baits. There is a fiine line between the two genres and that line is now blurred. Does it bother me? Heck no! I love all the incredible stuff that's being shown here. It doesn't take away from the more functional every day type baits that we all use. They are fun to look at and are a break from the norm. I say as long as the lure actually does work then keep on raising the bar ever higher. I'd be very intersted to see the new Novak musky replica crankbait when it has a lip installed. That's the only one I've seen that maybe is more of a piece of art as opposed to a real fishing tool. Nothing wrong with that, but there is a difference between that style of "lure" and an actual usable one.
Once you start getting into that type of thing, then you have to start comparing them with the guys who make us all look like amatures. Take a look at some of the pieces that Charles Weiss does and you see a whole new level of skill.
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| I think that it is kind of rediculous to suggest a seperate forum for lures considered by some to be more art then function. If a carver takes the time to put incredible detail and spend countless hours putting a paint job that would fool the same species then that person should be very proud and able to show his or her lure with the rest of them. From what I have seen the recent lure makers in mind are proven lure builders who understand how a lure works and can apply such skill to a lure even if it mimics mother nature. If you want to see plain lures go to the tackle store and look at the rows and rows of mass produced garbage out there. I say keep up the outstanding work. It is inspiring to a small time carver like myself. I think it's funny to say that a lure is almost a decoy because the detail is so realistic. That's just silly. I'm just stating my opinon, not coming after anyone. Keep up the great work guys! I want to see more more more!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Muskoka Ontario,Canada | I think that the decoy part comes in when a "lure" is 24" long and has no lip on it but is being called a crankbait when posted. Not to say it would work or catch fish if it did have a lip installed, but comparing that particular one to a lure isn't really fair until it's made into a functioning lure. That's what I was trying to say. Believe me, I'm just as impressed as everyone else with it. |
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| I get what your saying Snax. Point taken.  |
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| Once again I am not trying to insult anyone. Do you think that Monet was upset when somebody called his painting ART? Or that when Michael Angelo carved the Madonna that his rock sculpture was called ART? I thought I was complementing the artists, carvers, painters, baitmakers, or whatever else you want to call them when I suggested that their baits were art. |
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| I look at what you all say and I get the impression that you all think I feel differently. Which is not the case. What I am simply stating is that "If" a forum was started to post non working baits or lures and there was no intrest for the bait maker to make the lure "work" but just look pretty that even more impresive looking lures might pop out of the wood work. I would like to see a hand carved musky cane or more of snax paintings, other wildlife designs and such. Stuff that you can't even see at a show because john doe did it in his basement. My grandfather was great with wood. He could carve anything you asked hime to and I am sure there are more people like him. Nobody but my family ever saw his stuff because it always stayed in his house it wasn't sold and only My family is able to appreciate it. All I am saying is I am a fan of highly detailed art on the lures or else where and if anybody has some it would be great to see. If it isn't a bait this isn't the place for it. I want to see more art. I don't know how else to make myself no look like a fukinjakaxe
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| I think that the jury has spoken on this one, lol. Not that I don't understand your perspective ghitierman, but I think that even the prettiest baits on here work, for the most part, with a few exceptions here and there. But seriously, how many plastic manufactured baits do you buy, only to find they don't work at all. Why hold basement bait makers to a different standard, when even if our baits don't work the way we wanted them too, they still look purty.
I have made some baits that work well, some that are okay, and some that are stinkers. But they are all made to be fished, some just go off track during the experimentation process. Doesn't mean that someone else won't take a look at my failure and learn from it. And they can appreciate the intent and craftmanship as well. Even my baby bird lures, as hard as they are to make, are used as often as I can throw them, simply because they work, and because I know how to make more. What is art to some is merely a tool for those who can recreate it. |
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| Personally, I agree with you about seeing more good art, even if it is a decoy or a painting. But I don't htink we need another forum, this one is open enough for other mediums, and will still manage to be a mainly bait makers forum. |
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