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Grunt Lures
Posted 3/21/2007 10:37 AM (#246230)
Subject: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Minnesota
THis has to be one the the top ugly baits I have made. Any thoughts? If you want contrast this has some. orange belly with blue scales, yellow scales over silver on green with purple top, black head and red fins with holo red eyes. Glitter in the clear coat too. Hared ot see the yellow in the picture. Well, we will see how much poeple like it. It is going on the "block" tonight.

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mountainmuskies
Posted 3/21/2007 11:33 AM (#246238 - in reply to #246230)
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It's not pretty but I bet it'd work.
Grunt Lures
Posted 3/21/2007 12:10 PM (#246251 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Minnesota
I don't plan on making many of these....I think I can come up with some contrasting colors that will still look good too
mountainmuskies
Posted 3/21/2007 12:43 PM (#246259 - in reply to #246251)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast




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What about something like Brown top/top of the sides brown/yellow sides/white belly w/ a gold scale pattern? That'd look good (if you don't have somthing like that.)
Grunt Lures
Posted 3/21/2007 1:38 PM (#246272 - in reply to #246259)
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I have something close to that but with an orange belly and no yellow. As I understnad it this one has done well for a few.


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mountainmuskies
Posted 3/21/2007 4:16 PM (#246306 - in reply to #246272)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast




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That looks pretty good, will you be making a smaller version of the grunt anytime soon?
Grunt Lures
Posted 3/21/2007 4:21 PM (#246309 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Minnesota
No, just the big ones. The reason I went with big lures was because there are not many affordable ones out there. Most lures over 14 inches go for $75-$300. Many for good reason! The paint jobs on some of these are incredible. If you get a chance take a look at a Wishmaster sometime. If I had $250-$300 extra I woudl have one. But I don't so I make Grunts
woodieb8
Posted 3/21/2007 8:18 PM (#246374 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast




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its very good to think outside the box. musky ugly i say.. good job.
pamuskyhunter
Posted 3/21/2007 8:50 PM (#246382 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: big cove tannery pa
I'd use it, it would attract alot of attention where i fish.

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Posted 5/2/2007 9:59 AM (#254070 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: RE: How is this for UGLY with contrast


UGLY????????????? I WAS THE GUY IN INDIANA WHO BOUGHT THIs LURE ON EBAY! HA! i like it we will see if the indiana and il muskies like it.
Grunt Lures
Posted 5/2/2007 10:05 AM (#254073 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Minnesota
D,
Got that one for a good price too. LOL Looks like most eBayers did not want an "Ugly" bait. Hope it works for you. That was the only bait I tried to put fins on too.
Good luck and thanks,
James

Edited by Grunt Lures 5/2/2007 10:06 AM
jlong
Posted 5/3/2007 7:58 AM (#254268 - in reply to #254073)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Black Creek, WI
Yup... that one is UGLY indeed.

I have a question regarding contrast.

Seems to me that contrast WITHIN the lure makes the lure less visible ie. camouflaged. Is there ever a time when you want a LESS visible lure? I think so... but it seems to me that most anglers have this concept "backwards". I often hear people say a "high contrast" lure is more visible.... but to me that only applies when the lure contrasts against the overall background (environment), and not constrasting within itself.

Am I off base here?
woodieb8
Posted 5/3/2007 10:35 AM (#254298 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast




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contast to us is jail bird. or a blue frog pattern. even olive frog. the dots stand out to be seen as jailbird the yellow or blk stripes.. fire tiger also..
jlong
Posted 5/3/2007 10:50 AM (#254306 - in reply to #254298)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Black Creek, WI
Woodie.... so you consider contrast a form of camouflage? Aren't perch bars mother nature's way of HIDING the fish so they do NOT get eaten?

Same goes with the dark back, light belly? Dark back so they blend in with the dark bottom and are hidden from the birds flying above.... and a white belly to blend in with the light sky, making them less visible targets from below?

I guess what I'm getting at is that if JAILBIRD type patterns are so productive.... could it be because the lure is LESS visible? Fish have a more difficult time "seeing" our lures and perhaps rejecting them? If that isn't the case, then why would more contrast within the lure be an asset for an angler?

And... if the above holds true... should we be more concerned about how our baits feel... rather than how they look?

Just starting some conversation.....
esoxaddict
Posted 5/3/2007 11:12 AM (#254316 - in reply to #254306)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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I see Jlong is having Fix withdrawl symptoms too

Jason, here are my personal beliefs on contrast:

Unless you're talking about colors that are opposite each other on the color wheel, (true contrasting colors) the term "contrast" is overused. Spots and bars and such in nature are meant to break up the silouhette of the fish, making it more difficult to distinguish it from its surroundings and from other fish. Painting a lure that color? True, it makes it more closely resemble prey, but it also makes it more difficult to see. Painted on predator avoidance if you will. The same goes for a white belly in my opinion -- against a bright background (the sky) white serves as camoflage.

This might explain why solid black is a good color.

This season I will be experimenting with some upside down patterns -- white on the back (so I can see it in the water) and black on the bottom.


Now, as for your other question?

Muskies are able to feed sucessfully in stained, muddy water, aren't they? They are also able to feed at night. They don't have any trouble eating well camoflaged prey at night in muddy water, so you tell me -- is color really that important to the fish? Or is it just important to the angler (or should I say RETAILER )
Grunt Lures
Posted 5/3/2007 8:48 PM (#254432 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: Minnesota
Good looking baits sell, baits that throw sound under water get eaten. Good looking baits is the easy part, how do you perfect that "sound" that will get eaten more than others is the hard part
muskynightmare
Posted 5/4/2007 12:24 AM (#254468 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast





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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water
Is not camoflage patterns, like Realtree and Mossyoak all about contrast to break up your outline?
woodieb8
Posted 5/4/2007 6:41 AM (#254497 - in reply to #246230)
Subject: Re: How is this for UGLY with contrast




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we do many variations. actually counting belly patterns 100. on certain days on l.s.c. if you dont have the certain color you will go fishless. . action is the keymost assuming the lure is worked within a fishes strike zone. water claity isanother factor creating the thoughts. is it sight feeding or feeding thru the lateral line. water temps another factor. the list is endless. for over 100 years people have been attempting to find the magic findings. my theory just when you figure it out the rules change. just go fishing,it will become very apparent.
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