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| Mike
Mike, you asked how to trigger a feeding response.
The cues that trigger that response can be visual -- from contrast, to movement, to profile, to speed, and even flash.
They can also involve the lateral line - vibration, or in the case of the DC-10's, moving a lot of water.
Then there's the "reaction strike" -- the lure hits the water and WHAM, before you've even moved it it gets hammered.
Then there's sound... Now correct me if I'm wrong (I trust Lambeau and Worrall to be all over that) but muskies do have a primitive ear, and some ability to perceive sound, right?
And.... Smell. Not very well defined in muskies from what I understand, but still present, right?
So use a brightly colored noisy fast lure that moves a lot of water and has flash, vibration, stinks, and lands right on their head!
Being serious now, you need to narrow down which cues are going to trigger the feeding response at any given time, and I think that comes down to lure progression -- rule out the stimuli one at a time until you get a response.
But you already knew that..
Edited by esoxaddict 3/30/2007 2:34 PM
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| Maybe to kill it or move it, like largemouths do around a nest. Suck it in, crunch it a bit, carry it away, spit it out. Roland Martin has a great (old) book that talks about this in a bit of detail. Or maybe since they don't have hands or fingers, a fish might mouth something out of curiosity without necessarily needing or wanting the calories at that time. Maybe some baits just get fish angry that their territory is being invaded, and smack or spear the intruder. Reports of muskies bashing baits with mouths closed come up now and again, I've seen it happen. Just another theory in the pot. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | if you match the hatch isnt that just lowering the chances of getting your bait noticed? sometimes i might want my bait to stick out and get noticed but still want it to look like something they will eat and i try to let the fish tell me that.
when i fish bucktails i try to find what color hair and blade they want
when fishing jerkbaits/twitchbaits i use what im confident in.
just this year my mom and dad were going along a steep dropping shore line casting little pieces of worm up and catching bluegill and sunfish every cast. during this time i was casting off the other side of the boat into open water, well i wasnt seeing anything in the openwater so made a cast right into the area where they are catching all these blugils and panfish and i get a strike from a 40 inch fish on a 9 inch big game in white/black, it looked nothing like what the bait fish were in the area.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | f4m has it very close to right IMHO.
Believe me, we can't 'match the hatch'. NOTHING we do manages to match nature's evolving magic, and that.....
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Location: Hayward, WI | I certainly believe, and agree with you that we can't match the hatch. I have a question you might be able to have a good answer for though, and I guess this is getting a little off topic from the original question but...
We can't make a bait that acts exactly like a perch, though baits can be made to look similar to, or even almost exactly like a perch.
Do you think fish ever get conditioned to a general size or color, and tend to favor that and ignore other things? Like you said, no bait in the water swims like a fish, so just the action alone would be unmatching the hatch to get it noticed. I'm not talking if you think it happens a lot, because we all catch fish on a lot of baits that look or behave like nothing natural. But say you have extremely clear water and highly pressured fish. Do you think using natural colored baits is possibly the right thing, or will you still go for contrast?
Do you believe a bait ever has to look fairly natural size or color wise, or do you always just pick the color that would contrast more with it's surroundings?
On a little side note/example. I have read from a few people, including a couple well known guides about bucktail choice on the Chippewa Flowage. A lot of people are saying that bucktails with a longer, slimmer profile work best. Do you buy into that, or is it just a few guys that started that idea and it spread, and now everyone uses slim tails when on the Flowage?
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| I'm mostly a bass fisherman,walleye, and pike fisherman I don't have the patients to fish all day for muskies I like to catch fish so my heaviest Rod can only handle 1 ounce baits so I am forced to use smaller baits I'll probably buy a heavier rod for bigger baits this year. I have fished with lots of guys throwing big baits while I am throwing spinnerbaits and smaller bucktails. I catch as many muskies than these guys. I've boated some nice fish too. If you put a loud lure in front of a aggresive fish it will bite most times if it see's the bait. When I say loud I don't just mean sound it could be a bright lure or a big lure that fish can see from a distance or it could have flashy spinners. Just something that says hey over here. I do think bigger baits have there place though. A fish in warm water or a fish trying to fatten up for winter isn't going to waste energy chasing small food. From what I've seen alot of guys throw baits that are too big in my opinion. |
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