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Location: Waukesha, WI | On a recent trip, there was an occasion where my buddy had a ski hit a boatside sucker while fishing out of his boat. On the hookset, his line broke. This was on a Friday. He couldn't believe his knot let loose. He knows how to tie knots, and he surely doesn't have any issues with his other combos. Sunday AM, he let our other buddies run his boat and he fished with me. Again, a boatside sucker was hit. Once more, his line broke on the hookset. I'm still trying to work with him to identify what went wrong, twice. I've asked him to check the eyelets on his sucker rod, but I don't think that is it. My other concern is what happened to those skis? Before I spout off that the fish are dead or soon will be with a QSR in their faces, I can't recall if the Chip Flowage study mentioned conclusively dissolving hooks or not. Is it likely the skis will shake them loose? I'm looking for some help. Thanks in advance, Mike
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Location: oswego, il | The hooks do not dissolve. The study data I read did not say so either. I remember as a kid we cleaned a pike and it had a treble hook in it's intestine, intact. Metals are even better now. As far as killing the fish, it all depends on how they are hooked. Fish can throw hooks, I once caught a bass that broke me off the day before and it still had the pre-rigged worm in it's throat which I took out unhooked. How these fish were hooked will determine their faste most likely.
What kind of knot and what kind of line was he using? |
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Location: Waukesha, WI | courtland musky master with what I think was the improved clinch knot or similar. |
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| That sure sounds like a cracked eyelet somewhere. Have him take a Q-tip and "swab" each guide. If the cotton sticks/catches/comes off then there's a crack somewhere. Even hairline cracks can cut braid and are easily missed.
It's anyone's guess as to whether the fish will throw the hooks or not. Depends how they're positioned. At this point there's no sense in him or you beating yourself up over it. Use it as a learning experience and hope for the best.
In terms of hooks corroding away, I don't buy it. Ever catch a really old lure or happen upon one and the hooks are still well intact? I caught a nice smallie this summer that was in the process of "excreting" an off-set shank worm hook. God did that look painful... |
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Location: Waukesha, WI | I sent him an e-mail to try the cotton swab. I don't buy the dissolving hook theory any longer, but I still hear those comments a lot. At this point, I only caution others that the magical hook dissolving solution is erroneous.
Thanks for the replies. |
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| Living up here and working in the tourist industry allows me to talk to lots of resort owners. This spring I was talking to the owner of a VERY well known resort on Lac View Desert.
The conversation turned to muskies and how much better the fishing has been in recent years. I made some comment about catch and release and while the resort owner agreed, he figured that quick strike rigs had more to do with the improved fishery than catch and release. I asked why. He went on to explain that in the 70's, 80's and even the early 90's when people were using swallow rigs and releasing fish using the logic that the hooks would dissolve that every spring they would find as many as 20 dead muskies on the shore around the resort all with single hooks in them!
Hooks do NOT dissolve. The scary thing with quick strike break offs, unlike a lure, is that the musky quite probably will injest the sucker and the chance for survival is slim.
John |
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| I unfortunately have had line break 2 times in the last 8 years on hooksets on quick strikes...it's a pretty sick feeling you get not knowing if you killed a fish...it is just a fish, but we all do our best to save each one..one might have been a bad knot..the more recent one had to be an abrasion on the line...it was 80 lb tuf line and should not break...I have re spooled the reel with brand new 80 lb stealth and have checked the eyelits...I think for me it gave me a good wake up call to not be lazy and retie the sucker rig to the line each trip out...the thought of the fish possibly ingesting a sucker with hooks in it makes me sick but things like that are bound to happen at some point...we all just have to do our best to minimize the chance of killing a fish....i'm hoping on the hookset the sucker was thrown or it could throw the sucker...sucks. but it happens.
check your eyelits and take off 10 feet of line each trip I think is the best thing to do...
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| I would think the fish would toss the lure without any line tension on it -at least most of them. They always do if I give them slack when fighting them. It would be terribly unfair (to them and to me!) if they do when I screw up but can't when broken off. |
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Location: Davenport, IA | I snag a lot of Christmas trees and of course with 80 lb line I pull them up to see whats on there. Usually the hooks on the snagged lures just fall apart. So they don't dissolve? Ok...I believe it. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The problem is the hooks don't corrode enough when IN a fish's stomach, and will kill the fish most times. I watched the Single Hook Rig presentation at the Symposium last spring, and there's absolutely NO doubt there, the hooks don't dissolve enough to save the fish.
If the fish has the bait stuck in the jaw, most times they are able to eventually get rid of it. I have only seen a couple dead fish with lures being the culprit in LOTS of years on the water. |
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| Have to agree that corroding is not the big hope in a broken line. The studies i have seen show a very good percentage of hooks in jaws being thrown or worked out by the fish. but hooks swallowed are much less likely to be regurgitated though that too happens. The fish we see dead are the swallowers that cannot throw up the hook and instead get punctures in their stomachs or intestines. |
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Location: Waukesha, WI | do you know if any of these studies are available online? |
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How long does it take for those hooks to fall apart? |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | In fresh water ,,,years |
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Location: Davenport, IA | esoxaddict - 11/2/2006 8:54 AM
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How long does it take for those hooks to fall apart?
No idea...just know that it eventually happens. Although if the fish swallows the hook theres probably no way they dissolve fast enough. |
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