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MuskyHopeful
Posted 10/17/2006 11:43 AM (#215259)
Subject: Why not cotton?





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Location: Brookfield, WI
As I venture forth to purchase some inner layers tonight I was just wondering why not cotton?

I'm sure I could find an easy answer, but I'm lazy.

Kevin

In that old cotton field back home.



Edited by MuskyHopeful 10/17/2006 11:45 AM
tuffy1
Posted 10/17/2006 11:44 AM (#215260 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





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Location: Racine, Wi
Because.
MuskyHopeful
Posted 10/17/2006 11:46 AM (#215261 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





Posts: 2865


Location: Brookfield, WI
OK. You're the man.

Kevin

In that old polypro field back home.

Slamr
Posted 10/17/2006 11:47 AM (#215262 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jsp...

Many items to choose from. None are cotton (as far as I can tell), should tell you something.

(hint, check the "bargain cave", they have great deals on the polypro understuff)
Cast-n-Blast
Posted 10/17/2006 11:50 AM (#215264 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





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Location: North Metro
Kevin, the bad thing about cotton especially for a base layer is that if it gets wet from sweat or water, it takes a long time to dry out and can cause you to get cold as well. Go with something that wicks away sweat and breathes and you should be good. Poly or under armour is best.
esoxaddict
Posted 10/17/2006 11:59 AM (#215266 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





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I have heard the phrase "cotton kills" a few times.

I do know (not to be graphic) that the normal K-Mart long underwear does NOTHING to keep moisture away from the sweaty parts, and that the MINUTE the wind blows and you have sweat in those areas you literally do feel like you're freezing your %^*$ off.

But I am a little confused about wearing cotton (jeans, shirt, sweatshirts, etc) over top of a polypro undergarment.

As long as you have a moisture wicking layer underneath, does it matter what the outer layer(s) is made of?

Beaver
Posted 10/17/2006 12:25 PM (#215268 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?


Cotton absorbs your persperation and takes forever to dry out.
Once you are chilled, you won't shake it.
With all of the new gear on the market, using one of the baselayers designed to let your
persperation evaporate is the first thing on your body. After that, it's up to you. Again, the options are very numerous.
Fleece is always good for holding heat. Something fleece to cover your neck is a bonus.
A parka over bibs is the best, because you don't worry about exposed areas where wind or cold can penetrate.
Outer garments for me are always Goretex and Thinsulate combinations.
Goretex is water and wind proof, and Thinsulate is a great insulator.
Wool is also a great layer before your outer layer. Too close to your body, it won't breathe.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned alternate heat sources...like handwarmers....but the best are by far, Thermocare heat wraps that fit around you like a girdle. They keep your lower back from cramping up and keep that kidney area nice and warm.
I don't fish or hunt without them when it is damp or cold. 6 bucks a pair, and they stay warm for at least 8 and up to 12 hours.
Check out www.sierratradingpost.com Right now they have a lot of outdoor gear from polypropolyne long underwear to Goretex/Thinsulate outerwear and everything in between. You can't bring too many clothes.
Don't forget wool/spandex combination socks and a pair of boots that fit a little loosely. Tight-fitting boots cut down your circulation and lead to cold, uncomfortable feet.
Beav
lambeau
Posted 10/17/2006 12:29 PM (#215271 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?


cotton holds moisture/water. there's a reason that towels are made from cotton.
moisture trapped in cotton (rain outside, sweat inside) makes you cold.
you sweat a LOT more than you think, even when it's cold outside.

if you wear cotton over the top of wicking inner layers, the moisture will move out to that layer and then get trapped in your jeans or whatnot. wear materials that move the moisture one direction: out. avoid things that trap moisture inside.

now, when it's only "cool" out, i'll be the first to wear a cotton sweatshirt, but when we're talking about freezing temps or rough conditions of cold, wind, rain? all high-tech stuff for me that moves the moisture, or at least will still work to keep me warm if it gets wet (like wool or polypro).

RiverMan
Posted 10/17/2006 3:48 PM (#215307 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?




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Location: Oregon
1. Polypro then wool pants
2. Poly socks then heavy insulated socks over them followed by pack boots
3. Poly long-sleeve then insulated sweater followed by another sweater or long sleeve insulated shirt/light jacket
4. And then the ticket to real warmth........insulated coveralls...the coveralls keep the heat in!
5. Wool gloves...they wick water are very warm and still allow you to cast, change lures, etc.
6. Warm hat of some kind, I prefer the type of that have a built-in bill of some kind to keep the sun/rain off.

If you are still cold you have two options:

1. Go home;
2. Get a boat with a cover and heater and start trolling.

RM

Edited by RiverMan 10/17/2006 3:49 PM
jimfc3
Posted 10/17/2006 4:34 PM (#215314 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?


i take it you dont hunt or venture out in the very cold often?? best bet is poly or under armor then a layer of fleese (loose fited) followed by one of todays high tec top layers or wool. sometimes when i'm sitting in my tree stand and it's 10 deg out without the wind factor added in i'll fall a sleep ZZZZZZZZZZZ - TWIG-SNAP OR LEAVES MOVE - "DAMB SQUIREL" ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Bytor
Posted 10/18/2006 7:07 AM (#215402 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





Location: The Yahara Chain
I need to get some wool products. Wool has been my missing link and I never new it. Thanks for the education on layers!!

Wool is your friend.
esoxaddict
Posted 10/18/2006 9:01 AM (#215437 - in reply to #215259)
Subject: RE: Why not cotton?





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Never used to... My longest time out on the cold was walking to my car from my office... Considering that my parking spot was right next to the door I could make it all winter without having to wear a coat.

Then I lost my mind and decided to go fishing in weather meant for sitting in front of the TV watching football and drinking beer.

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