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tyee |
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| Thought you guys might like to know about this! Regarding Wisconsin Administrative Code NR 20.40 See link: http://www.wisconsinbass.com/DNR_tourn_changes.pdf "It goes to the NRB on Sept 27th. here is what I received as a time table from Pat Schmalz: We are in the process of scheduling those hearings and will likely not have them scheduled until after the NRB gives us the authority to conduct the hearings next week Wednesday. If the NRB approves the draft rules for hearing they can begin as early as October 30. The current tentative hearings plan includes conducting hearings beginning October 30 extending through November 15 in 7 locations across the state. The recommended locations are: 1) Spooner 2) Rhinelander 3) Fond du Lac 4) La Crosse 5) Madison 6) Sturtevant (Racine County) 7) Green Bay Once we gain approval, an official hearing notice will be released with dates, times and locations. They will all likely begin at 7:00 p.m. and be during the week. An official public comment period will extend through the end of the public hearings as well and those comments will also need to be considered equally. As for who to contact. Contact everyone on the NRB, Contact Gov Doyle, Contact Pat Schmalz. Here is the contact info for Pat: P Patrick J. Schmalz Treaty Fisheries Coordinator Fisheries Policy and Operations Section Bureau of Fisheries Management Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources (*) phone: (608) 266-8170 (*) fax: (608) 266-2244 (*) e-mail: [email protected]" Good Luck Tyee | |||
| MRoberts |
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Posts: 714 Location: Rhinelander, WI | Very interesting stuff, for those who don’t want to read the entire 26 pages I pulled out some of what I thought was most interesting and copied below, I really like the definition of “possess” many of us have been waiting for a clear definition of this for a long time. Nail A Pig! Mike From Proposed NR 20.40 (2) (d) “Immediate-release tournament” means a fishing tournament where fish caught by participants are not reduced to possession and transported, but are held only long enough for identification and to document length or weight or both, and released to the water from which they came. (e) “Live-release tournament” means a fishing tournament where fish caught by participants are reduced to possession and transported, usually for purposes of recording, and live fish are then released to the water from which they came. (k) “Possess” for the purposes of this section means to own, control, restrain, transport or keep. Once a fish is possessed, it shall be counted towards the anglers daily bag limit pursuant to s. NR 20.05(7). Any of the following conditions constitute possession: 1. Holding a fish out of the water longer than necessary to remove hooks and measure the fish for length, weight or both. 2. Placing a fish into a live well except to revive a fish or to avoid imminent boating danger. 3. Holding a fish at the side of a stationary boat for longer than necessary to register and revive the fish. 4. Resuming fishing by any angler in the boat prior to the release of the fish. (12) (f) Restrictions on immediate-release tournaments. 1. Participants may not reduce fish to their possession. 2. Participants shall immediately initiate the official tournament registration process upon landing a fish. 3. Participants shall successfully release the fish, as indicated by the capability of the fish to swim away upright under its own power, prior to resuming fishing. (g) Restrictions on live-release tournaments. 1. No person may conduct a live release tournament from July 1 through August 31. 2. No person may conduct a live-release tournament for muskellunge, northern pike, sturgeon or trout with an off-site weigh-in. 3. No person may conduct a live-release tournament unless they follow the conditions related to fish handling specified on the permit. 4. No person may participate in a live-release tournament unless their boat is equipped with a live well that is demonstrated to the tournament organizer as functioning properly prior to fishing in the fishing tournament. 5. No person may hold fish in a live-release tournament in on-shore holding tanks unless the tanks have the capacity to hold at least one gallon of water per pound of fish held and are equipped with an aeration or oxygenation system that maintains the dissolved oxygen at 5 parts per million or higher. 6. No person may conduct a live-release tournament with an off-site weigh-in unless the fish holding equipment and fish handling procedures at the weigh in site are approved by the department and the approval is specified on the permit. 7. The department shall include permit conditions that specify fish handling requirements for live release tournaments. 8. The department may include the following permit conditions for permitted live-release tournaments when it determines that environmental conditions are not conducive to survival of fish intended for release and the release may constitute unreasonable waste of natural resources under the provisions of s. 23.095 (1g), Stats. a. The department may require harvest or immediate-release of fish. b. The department may restrict the area that may be fished by fishing tournament participants to reduce the time that fish are held in live wells, the distance fish are transported to a weigh-in site or both. c. The department may require re-distribution of released fish. 9. The department may modify or revoke a fishing tournament permit at any time for the following reasons: a. Presence of a fish disease. b. Unusual and potentially detrimental water quality, such as high water temperature or low dissolved oxygen. c. Unusual weather event. d. Other unusual circumstances that may result in detrimental fisheries impacts. | ||
| Shep |
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Posts: 5874 | A couple of points jump out at me. 1. No Live-Release Tournaments July 1-August 30th. This will impact any transport tourneys. They will have to become Judge boat tourneys, if I am reading this right. 2. Several fee structures. Contestnats could end up paying as much as $10 per event. 3. Check out the proposed definition for immediate release. Allows use of livewell to revive a fish, and not have that fish considered in Possession. I suggest we all find out when these hearings are going to be held, and get to your local hearing and show a united voice. Thanks, Tyee | ||
| Gander Mt Guide |
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Posts: 2515 Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Too many " longer than necessary's". 1. Holding a fish out of the water longer than necessary to remove hooks and measure the fish for length, weight or both. 2. Placing a fish into a live well except to revive a fish or to avoid imminent boating danger. 3. Holding a fish at the side of a stationary boat for longer than necessary to register and revive the fish. 4. Resuming fishing by any angler in the boat prior to the release of the fish. Who's to judge what's longer than necesary??? Wardens going to use a stopwatch? Who's to say that a musky wasn't caught with 2-3 trebels in it and they need to be cut versus a single hook. While I agree that new rules/regs need to be made for tournys, in large part because of thier popularity, I don't believe adding ambiguity, as in the above, is going to help. | ||
| tyee |
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| I'm not sure everyone realizes the impact of these proposed rule changes. The way Musky tourneys are held will also be affected if this goes through. The Walleye guys really need to look at this as well! The catch and release toruenys would be eliminated in July and August making them catch and kill which will more than likely keep the big players PWT/FLW away from the area. The description of Posession and the fees for this are all issues that need to be discussed. I have posted the proposed meeting dates over on the Walleye side and will try to stay on top of this. The Bass folks are in a real tizzy about this and are scrambling to get their complaints to legislatures DNR and everyone that has a say in this! I think each group needs to apoint a spokesperson and draft wording to be voiced at all hearings accross the state. Good Luck Tyee | |||
| Shep |
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Posts: 5874 | Npt so sure that the FLW would stay away, TYEE. All the Lake Erie tourneys are catch and kill. The contestants still need to weigh live fish, or suffer the penalty a dead fish carries. All fish are then filleted and sent to a local food pantry. Not sure on the PWT tourneys held on Erie. | ||
| Gander Mt Guide |
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Posts: 2515 Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Shep. What happened at the FLW up in Greenbay this past summer was a dirty mess that could have been avoided if the Tourny Director would have allowed guys to register fish as they limited out instead of making them wait until 3pm. Personally, I spoke with one FLW contestent and he and his partner were done by 10am....5 hours they had to sit out in the bay with a livewell full of fish. The GB food pantries won't take those fish because of the Great Lakes fish consumption advisory. | ||
| Shep |
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Posts: 5874 | Looks like I was a tad off in my assesment of the effect of the proposed regs on the FLW. Follow the discussion here: http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7... It seems as though the Walleye and Bass guys are a little more concerned and active. This will have an effect on Muskie Tournies as well. Can you imagine no C&R tournies in July and August? No more Eagle River PMTT, no WMT in those months, no Gill Hamm challenges in WI during the summer. This will ahve a negative impact on the WI economy as well. Come to the meetings, and be heard! See you at the meetings. | ||
| Shep |
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Posts: 5874 | GMG, Yup, there were some dead fish. But they did go to a food pantry, as I saw the truck picking them up. The FLW wants the anglers on stage when the crowd is there. I don't think that will change. May not be an issue here if these regulations are adopted. | ||
| TYEE |
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| Shep I would think the guys would be very concerned about this new deffinition of Posession, seems to me that it would virtually eliminate Musky tourneys in WI??????? (k) “Possess” for the purposes of this section means to own, control, restrain, transport or keep. Once a fish is possessed, it shall be counted towards the anglers daily bag limit pursuant to s. NR 20.05(7). Any of the following conditions constitute possession: 1. Holding a fish out of the water longer than necessary to remove hooks and measure the fish for length, weight or both. 2. Placing a fish into a live well except to revive a fish or to avoid imminent boating danger. 3. Holding a fish at the side of a stationary boat for longer than necessary to register and revive the fish. 4. Resuming fishing by any angler in the boat prior to the release of the fish. Good Luck Tyee | |||
| MRoberts |
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Posts: 714 Location: Rhinelander, WI | (d) “Immediate-release tournament” means a fishing tournament where fish caught by participants are not reduced to possession and transported, but are held only long enough for identification and to document length or weight or both, and released to the water from which they came. (e) “Live-release tournament” means a fishing tournament where fish caught by participants are reduced to possession and transported, usually for purposes of recording, and live fish are then released to the water from which they came. The proposed rule changes would eliminate live-release tournaments in July and August not Immediate-release tournaments. If I am not mistaken the PMTT in Eagle River already runs a judge boat immediate-release format. The WMT would have to change to an Immediate-release format to continue their July and August tournaments. The new rules don’t really change the definition of possess very much, in fact it clearly adds a paragraph to make the Immediate-release clear: K-3. “Holding a fish at the side of a stationary boat for longer than necessary to register and revive the fish.” The term register was never in the previous definition, which is located in the current suggested tourney format available from the DNR. It is attached to the end of the Revised Muskellunge Management document. The DNR has ALWAYS made it clear that they prefer Immediate-release musky tourneys and will even allow the registration of muskies not meeting the legal length limit, because the way they define immediate-release the fish are not reduced to possession. Live-release tournaments (transport) do not allow that as the fish are considered reduced to possession when transported into a registration station. These new rules will have a far greater effect on bass and walleye tourneys there is no doubt about that. Nail A Pig! Mike | ||
| Shep |
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Posts: 5874 | Mike, I stand corrected. I knew I read that part about immediate release, but didn't see it last time. We should still all go to voice our opinions. There will be anti-tourney and anti-fishing types at these hearings. | ||
| Gander Mt Guide |
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Posts: 2515 Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | I'm going to the meeting in Fondy on Oct 30. If folks fish tournys, I'd suggest going. I'm sure any new regs for tournys can and will be turned into standard regs in the near future. Edited by Gander Mt Guide 10/11/2006 12:15 PM | ||
| Doug |
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| Just sent my email in support of the proposed reg's. I think they are great. | |||
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