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Location: Iowa | So I regularly check a resorts webpage for fishing reports and happened to come across this photo of someone hanging a 50 1/4" Muskie by a Bogga Grip and was curious as to the kind of damage these inflict on muskies especially of this size being hung vertical...I would never use one but curious to know if hanging a fish like this will cause it to die later regardless of whether it swims away...I am sorry to whoever may be in this photo for singling you out but it is more the guides fault than your as I know of the guide who put you on this fish and he should know better...congrats on the fish...poor handling job though...
Big Perc
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| I think the biggest thing is the fish of that size needs some support of the lower portion of it's body...
Even though I don't think we have conclusive evidence vertical holds kill fish..anyone who has held a big fish vertically and hears some "popping" going on knows it is not a good idea...the boga grip isn't the worst thing in this photo in my opinion...it's the lack of support for the fish and the complete vertical hold of the pic....how would you like to be held vertically by your mouth...wouldn't feel so good ey?
I commend alot of the magazines and Muskies Inc for not publishing photo's like this...I'd suspect in a year or 2 we won't see too many vertical holds...it's too bad some still use them for their "money shot".
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Location: lansing, il | maybe a couple inexperienced anglers and the guide was doing what he felt was best for the fish...v hold for a few seconds with a boga grip and back in the water, is probablly better than a inexpereinced angler trying to hold his first fish, a big fish, lose control on his grip and drop it in the boat.........i wouldnt pass judgement without knowing the story or being there. i think the time out of the water is much more important. ive used boga grips with my kids and never had a problem, also had to use one on a back up with a 46" we when we had a double header once and it was fine. |
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| I agree with Brad. The vertical hold is the real issue, not the Boga Grip itself.
But the Boga Grip in conjunction with a vertical hold is very bad. All the pressure from the weight of that fish is now concentrated in one very small area on the jaw. I could easily see some seriosu jaw damage occurring there.
Edited by BALDY 9/20/2006 8:40 AM
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| The other issue, aside from pressure on the jaw, you need to consider are the internal organs. Holding a fish vertically like that, without support, stretches the membranes holding the internal organs together. Depending on the weight of the fish and the length of time it's held vertically, I would think anyway, there is an increased risk of the membranes breaking thus all the organs come crashing down on each other. That certainly can't be good. |
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| just be glad she didn't get GRILLED - they are tough creatures - not a good hold... but it would rather see someone inexperienced do that than drop her 2-3 times trying to get a pic! Get them back in the water ASAP
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| Studies or no studies . . .I can't think of any animal that size that would respond favorably to being picked up by the head/jaw. |
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| That is just above the unhooking the fish in the bottom of the boat in the poor handling example list
Boga grip, maybe not great but OK if the body of the musky is supported. Some people prefer to use them sad to say
Vertical hold, certainly not OK if the body of the musky is not supported by at least a semi-horizontal hold |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Anyone ever wear an Irish sweater while fishing like the guy on the right?
Kevin
P.I. Pre-fishing Photographer
Edited by MuskyHopeful 9/20/2006 11:26 AM
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| MuskyHopeful - 9/20/2006 11:26 AM
Anyone ever wear an Irish sweater while fishing like the guy on the right?
Kevin
P.I. Pre-fishing Photographer
I just got one from Ireland this spring. I plan on giving it a workout in the cooler fall temps. Can't beat wool. |
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| The season is not even over yet and we are already heading in this direction? |
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| guest - 9/20/2006 2:10 PM
Musky Hunter recently had and article by Rusteberg endorsing vertical holds. I am sure they are a great idea and don't cause any harm. Can you feel my sarcasm!
I read Rusteberg's article and I don't remember an endorsement for verticle holds. I think his main point was that they are not the ideal way to hold muskies but these fish are tougher than you may think. I believe Steve had recaught many fish after a vertical hold and they were living just fine. I use the boga type grips all the time but always make sure to have my other hand under it to support. Is holding a musky with only a boga grip the best way to hold a musky? No! Will a musky survive a vertical hold? More than likely. Are horizonal holds better for the fish than the vertical holds? Absolutelty! I think I know Steve well enough to know that he cares deeply for these fish and in no way would harm or recommend any handling that would harm a fish. Want to talk about rough handling of muskies? Go follow some (not all) of the biologists around when they do netting or sample shocking. |
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Location: oswego, il | I have seen Rustenberg catch fish and although, I have seen some vertical hold pictures, probably older ones, the ones I seen netted in his boat, they supported the belly.
I used to use a boga grip all the time before I bought my frabill. They do make a small hole in the jaw. So do hooks. I think it is a good tool to have if you are having trouble controlling a fish and if there is somebody who is not comfortable with a gill hold. You won't accidentally drop a fish with a boga grip either. |
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