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| EA,
As he mentioned in an earlier post, had he mentioned "does it mean more," he'd not have been riddin' by me or anyone else about his choice of the word count.
Pikespawn,
I think your question was a GREAT one! Spurned (or should I say Spawned??) alot of talk about this subject. There is a large difference between "counting" a fish, and "personal satisfaction" of doing everything necessary to catch one.
Now, with that, can we all understand he didn't mean "count" as much as he meant "more personal satisfaction?"
Have a great day....keep counting ALL of your muskies!!
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Location: Apollo, PA | If I ever make it to Eagle Lake, I WILL look you up. Good question or not, this thread is gonna go. As my friend Beaver Slivinski said, "Why do i even bother to post" |
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| Pikiespawn..I think we all know (or most of us) what you meant by count...should the angler get as much personal satisfaction from a "guided" fish as a fish on his own...well I think that is up to each individual angler to determine on their own...nobody can tell them how they should or shouldnt feel from boating a fish....if you were fishing with a friend, on a lake you didn't know, your friend did, and you caught a fish from the back weren't you "guided"....
for me, I get a kick out of catchin all fish..from the front, from the back, with a guide, with a friend, solo, you name it..the day I don't get jazzed up about putting the hooks into a musky big or small is the day I quit...
good luck this fall..how is the 617 treatin ya?
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| Every fish is different. I'd feel better about a 30"er that went around on the 8 a bunch of times and finally reacted to something I did (voluntarily) than I would about a 40 that just smashed my bait as soon as it hit the water.
Pikiespawn -- no offense meant by my earlier post -- they all "count", but each one has different levels of accomplishment based on all sorts of factors.
And Brad's not kidding -- he gets so excited when he puts people on fish he can hardly stay in the boat! |
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| To the logical conclusion the question has to go all the way back to never going on a website or reading anything anyone else says about a lure or a lake or how to position a boat or tie a knot or to retrieve a lure. If a friend calls and says the muskies are active, you can't go to the lake because then you didn' t find them active yourself, if you read in an article that Eagle is a good muskie lake you can' t to to Eagle since you did not find that out yourself. If just doesn't make any sense. I caught two muskies over 50 inches this summer in three casts fishing with a Buddy of mine in Minnesota. He was not a guide so I guess I did a lot more toward the catches than if I paid him. Give me a break. I understand the idea of scouting a lake and finding a big fish and trying to get her to eat yourself. but if you happen to go out with a buddy or a guide and you get into an amazing fish, its pretty sad if you cannot feel thrilled to catch her (and let her go). Just my humble opinion |
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Location: nationwide | Pikiespawn,
As usual I look at this differently.
A boated fish counts regardless of who caught it, who netted it, or any other part of the equation you want to figure in. I have fished with many guides/knowledgable anglers on the Chippewa Flowage and truthfully any fish I catch should be credited to them, and I don't have a problem with that.
The highlite of this year was opening morning netting a 45 incher for Ty Sennett and I would rather have netted his fish than been out alone and caught it by myself. With Ty's hectic schedule and my family schedule this is more than likely the only time we will get out this year, and netting the fish was a bonus, getting to fish with a good friend was what I was looking forward to. Most of the friends I fish with know it is the success of the boat that matters, not the individual, and in all cases I would rather have whoever is fishing with me to catch the fish, whether it be friends or family. I fish out of the back of the boat regardless if I have 4 people or just out alone, and don't position the boat different to allow me to hit the best water unless I am by myself.
Fish in the boat is what matters, regardless if I am with a guide, friends or alone, and how the catch is viewed regardless of those circumstances is mute. A nice fish is a nice fish, regardless if you are by yourself or with friends, or heaven forbid had to hire a guide to "help" you out.
In its' simplest form it all comes down to egos . .. . . . which I like to have checked at the dock before heading out onto the water.
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Location: Brookfield, WI | I think the question should be, CAN guided fish count?
I have a hard time believing that fish of any kind can understand even the simplest of mathematical concepts. I can't see one fish saying to another:
"You know Jim, that's the seventh time that thing has fluttered over our heads in the last ten minutes."
"Yeah, I noticed that, too. I've been counting, by the third time, I started to get hungry."
Kevin
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| I know there's at least one musky who knows how to count!
See it all started back in May... I was out fishing with a friend, and I caught this musky. Cute little fellow, meaner than a junkyard dog he was. Anyway I guess he didn't want his picture taken, because when I held him up for the picture and my buddy had the camera ready to go, my buddy started to count...
ok, one, two, THREE
Well just as he got to "two" that muskie jumped right outta my hands back into the water. I couldn't beieve it!
Now I've heard they can count to 10,000, but so far my research has only confirmed that they do indeed know that three comes after two which comes after one, otherwise it would have jumped when my friend said "one" or waited until he said "three" and been captured on film (deductive reasoning), which they apparently do not like.
And they seem to be really interested in the number 8, but that could be because on its side the number 8 is the symbol for infiniti, which means they just might be pretty well versed at high level mathmatics!
Further study needed
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| Obviously the word COUNT has different meanings to peeps; I guess I could read all the responses YET again, but I doubt I'll find the mention of a musky being a "numbers" game, as posted above, and sure as hay struggle to find how the original post can be degrading to a fish/sport/person; try reading posts in the past, and you'll find a variety of folks who have mentioned how many fish they've caught in a given time...perhaps a group hanging is in order...who'll be the first to smack the horse's arse? The original post was pretty clear as to asking the simple question of whether or not a person derived more satisfaction from catching a 'ski on their own, and has somehow turned into a Shakespearian tragic comedy...maybe I'm the heathen and need to engage in feesh worship...on second thought, don't save me a seat... |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | D@mmit, EA, I think you convinced me. They do like the number 8, and the number 0, which would have been obvious to me if I had ever hooked one near the boat. I've heard they also hit on the "L". Is it possible they spell, too, or at least know the alphabet?
Well, they say muskies will always surprise you.
Kevin
Smarter than we think?
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| Muskymeyer --I agree with your whole post --At this point in my life after catching 6 or 7 48 and 49 inchers I would still prefer netting my bro's 1st 50 than catching my 1st one. Or if I could fish a day or two with my best buddy who is mid 70's and have him catch a decent fish --It would be the hightlight of my year . I think most musky fisherman are hard working , independent individuals, by nature we don't do things the easy way, if we did we would bass fish. It's weird to feel the same passion about muskies, but differ on this "satisfaction" thing. The good news --it's not a big deal Take Care ManitouDan |
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Location: Apollo, PA | Please Slamr, I beg of you, release me from this torture.....
PS I did not mean "count" as FREAKING NUMBERS............
Pikiespawn is now flopping around in bottom of boat in "death throws"
Edited by Pikiespawn 10/2/2006 6:35 PM
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| Not yet hopper...now that the Jack-In-The-Box is lodged solidly in yer backside, you gotta wait 'til everyone has a chance to crank the handle. One can pirse on a camp fire and put it out, but the scent lingers long after the flames die...you'll be OK dude, I've been misunderstood most of me life, yet still in the saddle! |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | stop taking photos of little tiny musky, release them with out touching them. shake them off if you can
try not to handle them |
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| I've nearly two decades of experience fishing for bass, steelhead, salmon, laketrout, pike, and walleye. I've fished in boats, on piers, and wading. I've spincast, baitcast, flycast. I've tied my own flies, and made my own spinners. However, I'm seriously contemplating hiring a guide for my first foray or two for muskie, until I learn the water, the fish, and the techniques.
Would I be happy catching fish on a guided trip? You bet! Many times in the past I've gone out on friends' boats, where they've chosen the time, the lake, and the locations. Sometimes, I've even used their rods, reels, and lures. Was I happy when I caught fish then? Of course.
It's like many things in life - there's levels of satisfaction. For me, at least, it's always more satisfying the more I put into the sport. There's a certain satisfaction to fishing in one's own boat, with one's own rods, reels, and tackle. It was more fun with steelheading when I caught fish on flies I tied, or french-bladed spinners I built myself, as opposed to off-the-shelf lures.
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Location: Monee, Illinois | What happens if you fish with a guide who is a buddy of yours and catch a fish.....Its your fish right, that is all I have to say, I have a guide friend I fish with all the time and catch fish so it is my fish...
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