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jonnysled
Posted 5/19/2006 7:13 PM (#192839)
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Location: minocqua, wi.		was on a farm pond last week in minnesota and caught some of the nicest bluegills i have since being a kid ...




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sworrall
Posted 5/20/2006 11:12 PM (#192921 - in reply to #192839)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin		Sled,
Send the pics to me at [email protected], I'll get them posted.
MuskyHopeful
Posted 5/21/2006 12:00 AM (#192925 - in reply to #192839)
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Location: Brookfield, WI		I have a friend that owns a restaurant/club on the east side of Milwaukee named Gil's Cafe. He doesn't catch 'em, but serves an incredible walleye, bluegill, fish fry on Friday that he call's the Sportman's special. Best in Beertown. Inspired by the bluegills he and his dad caught from a farm pond on flyrods when he was kid. His dad's a surgeon and would filet them with a scalpel. Very cool.

He has the best gourmet pizzas and sandwiches in the Metro Milwaukee area too. Great Americana/West Texas music once a week or so also.

Kevin

Back from the five day Florida trip that cut into the plan. Professor Koepp Tuesday @ 5:00.
sworrall
Posted 5/22/2006 10:36 AM (#193102 - in reply to #192925)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin		Nice fish, Sled! If you ever want to get some like that in Wisconsin, I know a BUNCH of lakes with big bluegills, that's Sue's favorite fish.
bchunter26
Posted 5/22/2006 10:49 AM (#193105 - in reply to #192839)
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Location: Wausau		Can anyone tell me a good lake within an hours drive of Wausau WI that has good Panfish in it? My 5 year old daughter wants me to take her out fishing and I am looking for a good action lake to keep her interests up.
sworrall
Posted 5/22/2006 10:54 AM (#193106 - in reply to #193105)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin		You have some of the best crappie fishing in Wisconsin right close to there on teh River, perhaps Justin can help with a few places to get some panfish there.
RiverMan
Posted 5/22/2006 11:38 AM (#193116 - in reply to #192839)
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Location: Oregon		Hey that's a great pic, thx for posting it.

jed v.
jonnysled
Posted 5/22/2006 12:43 PM (#193132 - in reply to #192839)
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Location: minocqua, wi.		The old guy who has been managing the lake (it's private and on his property) for the last 40 years was with us and asked us to take more ... we took 15 fish for 4 guys and ate all of them cooked over a fire that night. just lightly dipped in flour and brazed in butter. Anyway, his comments were that he'd like us to take more and not less because he was concerned about them overpopulating and then going into stunt form. He had experienced this in the past and believes there needs to be some predation to keep them growing that big. There are also crappies, bass and some northern pike in the same body of water. Imagine how big the pike might be?

Just 4 guys staying in a shack without water or electricity that would rather eat fresh fish than hamburgers that night and had permission to do so from a neat old guy who's been growing big fish for many years.
sworrall
Posted 5/22/2006 1:09 PM (#193134 - in reply to #193132)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin		Nice fish, and a great story. We have a lake like that close to here, but the old fella who used to rent the boats there passed, and it's now unavailable. We used to regularly fish gills there, and never saw even a tiny decline, becauuse the guy imposed a 20 fish per boat limit. Like this pond, not enough pressure to even make a dent.

Sorno or Dave or other fisheries folks, any comments?
MACK
Posted 5/22/2006 1:24 PM (#193136 - in reply to #193132)
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jonnysled - 5/22/2006 12:43 PM

The old guy who has been managing the lake (it's private and on his property) for the last 40 years was with us and asked us to take more ... we took 15 fish for 4 guys and ate all of them cooked over a fire that night. just lightly dipped in flour and brazed in butter. Anyway, his comments were that he'd like us to take more and not less because he was concerned about them overpopulating and then going into stunt form. He had experienced this in the past and believes there needs to be some predation to keep them growing that big. There are also crappies, bass and some northern pike in the same body of water. Imagine how big the pike might be?

Just 4 guys staying in a shack without water or electricity that would rather eat fresh fish than hamburgers that night and had permission to do so from a neat old guy who's been growing big fish for many years.


Awesome story and some great eating! Very cool!
sorenson
Posted 5/22/2006 1:53 PM (#193142 - in reply to #192839)
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Location: Ogden, Ut		The bottom line is that there is no good answer that encompasses all of the variables involved in managing panfish populations. For every situation Sled describes, there are flip sides of the coin that Mike alluded to. Dozens of variables play into the successful management of panfish populations (I would, however, probably argue that genetics probably plays a minimal role). Water chemistry, angling pressure, types and abundance of predators (including avian), vegetation types and densities, forage availability, water level fluctations, basin type, reproductive strategy, and on and on all contribute to (or detract from) a water body's ability to produce quality and sustainable panfishing opportunities.
Add to that, what the public's perception of what a 'quality' fishery is and you have really stepped into a quagmire. I will guarantee you that there's just as many (or more) people out there that would rather catch a 5 gallon bucket full of bluegills avering 5-6 inches as there are that would only be happy w/ 5 or more fish over 10". Both end up with about the same amount of edible fish flesh, and both are right. Catch rate is some people's number one desire, size of fish is what trips other angler's trigger. This is where the fishery manager begins talking about 'management objectives'. And despite all of the variables I mentioned earlier (and more), which would seem to make a successful management objective nearly impossible to attain, managing the panfish population is far easier than managing the angler clientele that pursues them...
It looks to me like a judicious amount of selective harvest was exercised. Good for both the fishery and the anglers involved. Can every bluegill fishery sustain harvest like that under high pressure 'public access' conditions? Certainly not, and I think it would not be a good practice, but when angler pressure is not a factor in supressing a population, a bit of 'skimming the cream off the top' won't hurt.
15 fish for 4 guys? ...lightweights
Sorno

(OK, that would make more sense if the 'less than supportive' post was still there...hahahaha)

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