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| Jason,the long wordings has spun many round. You have aswered the question. You pattern your location and presentation. In assumption we gather that we pattern fish when in all reality you are only patterning your presentatiom versus location.Yes some fish are cooperating.But its not what all fish are doing. To pattern you must establish behavioral habits,wich cannot be done on all fish. Your thinking on individuals,well honestly what most think is a waste of time for others its their consistency.One thing to take into consideration is the waters we fish.The smaller it is the more limited in possibilities you have.The larger it is,the more possibilities you have at establishing patterns.Yes several patterned elements must come together for you to put all pieces together.It takes many years also of gathering certain particualr info. Jason,you think the Jet stream has little bearing on your season. My good friend,watch it every spring.It will tell you where the prevailing winds will be set up for the season.That directly affects fish location from year to year,as long as the stream has changed.Maybe some parts are less affected by it but most are. The answer to did the Chicken or the egg come first,neither!They came from Dinosaurs!Evolution I think was the recepie. The interesting thing about these exchanges is the way we perceive our plans off attack. Jlong,your quest is to establish patterns in catching fish.You have put the right elements together and succed at them. My self I home in on certain individuals,yes many individuals do use the same location.But a closer look has led me to see that certain fish have patterned habits,yes in accordance to other patterned elements.But you can never go out and say I will get that 50 there at that time.But you do know that once the elements of patterns have come together your chances at succes are higher. Thorpidium out! Must go and pattern New Jerseyites! On a final note,during this festive time give to the needy,Its a bad time to be poor cause most dont give a shyte no more! Have a wonderfull Christmas Marc Thorpe Regional [email protected] | |||
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| Marc, Been sitting back on this one to see where it lead. I thought I was missing the boat on something, but now realize that was not the case. This tread is ending up just where I thought it would and I had no interest in going there. This whole issue is nothing but simantics and who's definition of "fish patterning" you want to use. Your definition (as best I can decipher it) can only involve one fish, while I believe most fishermen consider the definition to include many fish. It's not that anyone is right or wrong here, but I believe you would be better served to use the definition that most use, at least when trying to explain yourself, as this is where the confusion for most is coming from. When I have clients ask me to help them learn how to pattern muskies or fish in general, I don't take them around the lake and tell them: "Well, if you pull up to this spot on an overcast morning before 9AM with a wind blowing in and a rising baro. you'll find old mossback here feeding on perch". Or, "At this spot just before dark fish Billy-Bob can be taken if it is calm and the ciscoes are feeding on mosquitos at the surface". What they are looking for is information as to why a certain segment of the population of fish being targeted (muskies in our discussion) are doing simular things at simular times. Sometimes we have this knowledge prehand from our years on the water and recognition of several factors that are present at the time. But, often it is derived from being on the water every day and knowing what the fish (NOT A FISH) is likely to be doing that day and when they may be doing it. I know I'm not telling you anything new here, I'm not trying to, except to say that this is how most everyone defines "fish patterning". If you decide to use a different definition that is fine, but don't be surprised when you confuse folks as you have done here. | |||
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| Hey Joel, I like your viewpoint and interpretion of this mind boggling debate. After reading Marc's final rebuttal, I've come to realize another factor being overlooked. Perhaps guys like Marc who are pounding the same water almost every day have the luxury to pattern individual fish and correlate success to the jet stream. Unfortunately, there are very very very few people fortunate enough to do such a thing. The WEEKEND WARRIORS such as myself need to establish a technique for finding fish and catching them from ground ZERO. The weekend guys are often fishing NEW water and are forced to fish when they have the opportunity. Both very BIG handicaps that must be dealt with. Depending on your perspective, what we are trying to "pattern" will change drastically. The less frequent you get on the water and the less experience you have.... your techniques and strategies for putting fish in the boat will shift towards the simple, yet efficient process of elimination. Look at tournaments. Way too often the most seasoned anglers are shown up by the "rookies" that have mastered a "simple" technique that most efficiently finds the "pattern". Plus, in tournaments just catching "A" fish is better than catching "THE" fish. Man, this is a strange topic. I don't even remember what my original point was going to be. Just rambling now.... Merry Christmas Everyone!!!!!!! jlong | |||
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| Guys,nobody is wrong or right on this one.Jason you did comprehend where I was going. Joel this what not symantic's.If you look up the defination of pattern ,you must establish behavioral habits.Wich can only be done individualy.Yes many fish relate the same but we cannot generalise certain fishes habits,even individuals.Because they are not all doing the same thing at the same time. The hole point of this discussion was to make the good folks on this board read our perspective of the ways we fish. Jason,yes you are right.Being able to spend as much time on the water as I can has led me to discover certain intriguing elements. Yes I have several bunnnies in my hat, that come with time on the water.This does not mean I am above anyone,just fortunate to have been able to observe some very unique things. I am not one to shamelessly promote what I know or do but also question the info that seems to work for me.I am always interested in others perspective aproach to muskie fishing.No one could ever (other than 2 others)understand what I experience or have seen over the years.Its beyond my understanding many times.Got to admit,even the high flyers of the busness have never seen this.Remember we all have theories of putting our personal knowledge together. Yes I do know how to twist things a little to make everyone look at their tails but no harm or pun was intendended.Its sole purpose was to educate and take a look at what we focus on.My intentions were to pull the best of your knowledge and perception out,wich I beleive was accomplished. I must admit,its been a great discussion. What we must all understand is the difference in the regions we live in and the expectations others have when fishing with any of us.Some is to produce fish and others are for good ones.In the end we are all alike,the passion drives us to enjoy and endeavor in this great sport. What we must understand is to get info such as I use in my targeting a specific fish takes,tagging studies,some telemetry and other telemetry studies in relation and good honest info over years with some most trusted buddies.This is unique to certain bodies of water but is also at the mercy of the fishes mood. Wishing everyone here a merry Christmas Marc Thorpe Quest Global adventures.com | |||
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