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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | A few years ago, I used my bro's scuba gear and he threw baits over my head. We were on Katherine a very clear lake. I was only down 5- 15 ft. I couldn't tell the color of a bait until it was within 5 ft of me, otherwise all I could see was the silouette. Dark baits had a better silouette. |
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Location: DES MOINES, IOWA | I really haven,t seen much of a difference on colors in clear water, but have seen a big difference in stained water fishing. On Sabaskong orange is the hot color, and yellow and chartreuse have their days.I definitely, can see orange in the water from farther distances.I would really like to get Doug Johnson,s imput on this as far as LOTW.I know one PMTT Pro who feels color has no bearing in catching fish. |
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| lobi,
I assume the sub your talking about was a wet sub, ie. one that floods the passanger compartment. |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | On a similar tangent.
Check this link out.
http://www.deep-six.com/page76.htm
I got it from a site that lobi linked to earlier in this post. Great information lobi, way to be!
This article says that underwater a diver can't tell the direction of sound, but can hear it farther away then in air.
Do you think this non-direction applies to Muskies? or is their lateral line evolved enough to be able to figure out direction under water?
If not maybe the sound/vibration triggers them to look for bait, then the sight (action and color) is the final trigger?
Edited by Jomusky 3/17/2004 8:27 PM
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | <p>First- I think color is important for both the muskie and the fisherman. I think the reasons are probably diametric, i.e, they are opposite. The 2003 season really proved this for me. </p><p>Jomusky, A word of caution- I would not ascribe human hearing underwater to how muskies hear sounds. Our ear's have evolved for sound in a gaseous environment, theirs in a liquid environment. It is quite likely that their brain's process the recieved information differently. F. ex muskies do have two ears, but no external openings. Plus structurally they are different than ours. This would seem to present some difficulties. However, I think mother nature has solved those. Meaning the sound has to strike one ear first, much like a bat's echo imaging system. Bat's have two ears just like us but they use them very differently. I believe muskies have sound directional capability. However, all I have is ancedotal proof, i.e., stuff I've actually witnessed. The underwater world has to be pretty darn noisy, especially with all the man made noise polution. When I'm really focus'd on fishing I don't talk much. If the sound stands out from the background clutter it probably gets noticed.</p><p>To All: Here's a little experiment. take cup of coffee or glass of water now take a teaspoon of sugar and pour it into the cup/glass. Did you hear anything? Maybe a thousand little pebbles striking the surface of the coffee/water. Now picture what it must be like for a muskie in a hard rain storm.</p><p>Have you caught any muskies during a hard rain, I haven't, but I have caught them during the breaks between rain squalls. Waves, also make noises. How does the muskie differentiate the topwater bait from the background clutter? I don't think it's just lateral line info. </p><p>I recently saw a comment about Mr. Worralls underwater sound experiments, which in essence said the sounds of voices above the water was also picked up by the microphone under the water. I've got to test this the next time I'm in the pool w/ the grandkids. </p><p>As for background & stuff on color underwater, muskie vision and sound underwater check out the Muskie Research Form threads. Lots of good information to digest & formulate into new strategies for fishing muskies.</p><p>Al Waner</p><p>"All Water is Zalt Water"</p><p><a href="http://www.zaltnad.com/">http://www.zaltnad.com</a></p>
Edited by ESOX Maniac 3/18/2004 7:57 AM
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Location: Racine WI | Jomusky - 3/17/2004 8:26 PM
This article says that underwater a diver can't tell the direction of sound, but can hear it farther away then in air.
Do you think this non-direction applies to Muskies? or is their lateral line evolved enough to be able to figure out direction under water?
I think it's been pretty well established by scientists that fish with a developed lateral line can tell direction and distance with a high level of accuracy. It probably evolved specifically to counter the directional difficulty a point-receptor (the eardrum) has in a dense medium like water. Vision would be pretty useless in extremely murky/muddy (as opposed to stained) water, especially at night -- yet predators and prey must have some way of locating each other. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | <p>MiserMike- That would also be true if they had ear drums, they don't. I'm not saying lateral line is not important. It's also been established that some fish produce & use sounds for mating. </p><p>Here's an ancedotal example of what I've witnessed with northern pike. Fishing a small river slough with lily pads around the edges and breaks in the pads, throwing red & white daredevil. I cast to the other side and land it in one of the breaks. Immediately a ~16" northern come out of the water from my side of the slough and is actually hydroplaning toward the point where the lure hit, only the back 1/3 of the fish is in the water. This fish covered at least ~30 feet on a dead line for that spot. It then dove, I turned the crank maybe six revolutions and the fish hit. The lure landed ~ 50 feet from where the fish was originally located. I'm serious this fish's response was immediate. I don't think waves from the splash had the necessary time to stimulate the lateral line. </p><p>Al</p> |
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