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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Good for the Eagle Lake groups to take the initiative.
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| Kudo's I hope they can make a difference. |
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| Good suggestions. The focus on the barbs on rubber baits such as dawgs and tubes interests me. Is that a big problem? |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | North of 8 - 5/3/2025 7:56 AM
Good suggestions. The focus on the barbs on rubber baits such as dawgs and tubes interests me. Is that a big problem?
Tubes have the trailing treble and when inhaled that will tend to be back towards the gills and thus a potential fish killer given difficulty extracting, bigger hole with a barb. Dawgs a bit less of an issue as far not compressible like a tube when hooked but are susceptible to swallowing as well. Barbless does penetrate deeper but overall far less handling side-by-side. I think focus on these baits given they are typical with fishing deeper and swallowing type bites that goes with that presentation. |
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| Angling Oracle - 5/3/2025 8:54 AM
North of 8 - 5/3/2025 7:56 AM
Good suggestions. The focus on the barbs on rubber baits such as dawgs and tubes interests me. Is that a big problem?
Tubes have the trailing treble and when inhaled that will tend to be back towards the gills and thus a potential fish killer given difficulty extracting, bigger hole with a barb. Dawgs a bit less of an issue as far not compressible like a tube when hooked but are susceptible to swallowing as well. Barbless does penetrate deeper but overall far less handling side-by-side. I think focus on these baits given they are typical with fishing deeper and swallowing type bites that goes with that presentation.
Never fished with tubes and the fish I have got on dawgs have been t-boned, so that was new to me. After thinking about this poster a little bit, I don't think they should try and push the "big net, hook cutters, etc" for folks that might have an incidental catch. Walleye fishermen are not always musky fans and suggesting they carry a couple hundred dollars' worth of extra equipment in case they catch a musky might not be real popular. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | North of 8 - 5/3/2025 11:49 AM
Never fished with tubes and the fish I have got on dawgs have been t-boned, so that was new to me. After thinking about this poster a little bit, I don't think they should try and push the "big net, hook cutters, etc" for folks that might have an incidental catch. Walleye fishermen are not always musky fans and suggesting they carry a couple hundred dollars' worth of extra equipment in case they catch a musky might not be real popular.
I think well written and the don't use big motor, barb and other anglers bit essentially just sort of cover all the bases rather appearing to pick on one issue.
Other anglers using FFS for bass/walleye/lake trout deep are going to wind up tangling with probably more musky and pike than traditional jig/lindy/spinner rig types, so worthwhile having this additional info to try and prevent mortalities by at least suggesting having the proper tools.
I do think that it is unlikely going to sway the typical walleye folks you are thinking of to carry such gear, but overall the poster does put muskies on a pedestal as far as being something rare and fragile, which probably most folks wouldn't otherwise even think about. Keep in mind such posters are not for the folks you are thinking of, but perhaps children, wives where there is peer influence.
I had nothing to with this poster, but I think the top slogan and messaging quite good and focus-group worthy to see what folks think about it.
Edited by Angling Oracle 5/3/2025 12:55 PM
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| Eagle Lake is a destination lake for Muskie guys. While I accept that Walleye are fished and caught there I believe it's probably more with guides than somebody driving up to Eagle to Walleye fish. I'm totally in favor of the resorts and guides setting the tone. They are the ones with skin in the game moreso than some guy or group who may come up every 10 years or for a bucket list trip. |
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| Eagle has a history of this sort of thing. It was the resorts and other stakeholders who got the night fishing ban, to the consternation of many others. Turned out well, though. People didn't quit going there, and the fishery was better for it. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | I fished with one off duty guide who will not fish Bulldawgs because of deep hooking issues, speaking of hooks to me there doesn't seem to be as many choices of different hook types let lone barbless. I live in Denver area home of Eagle Claw hooks and go to the on site store there's not the selection they used to have. (I haven't been there in a couple of years) Last year I bought a box of 50 5/0 on E-bay at a good price this year none to be found and Musky Tackle Online have been back ordered for ever R&H has them in 5 packs but we pay thru the nose. |
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| Muskies don't engulf bulldawgs any worse than any other bait...any style of bait you can think of I've seen completely engulfed, the off duty guide should probably go hookless! ...just yesterday I had a 47 that completely engulfed a glide bait - I mean GONE - three quick snips with knipex behind the gill plate and she swam off strong...
Edited by IAJustin 5/4/2025 9:31 AM
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Location: Brighton CO. | Release gloves, Knipex multiple long nosed pliers hook outs, hook picks ECT, I throw my plastics with no worries. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Like the poster, really wish they had been more careful about some of the wording. The gas motor part is a little wonky versus what the intent was.
AND, though some of you might have seen me fighting on Facebook, I think it's a great first step. Can't say I don't support the desires to protect the lake and the muskie fishery.
BUT....
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | and the "BUT" is will those that put this forth actually ensure that they and those around them follow these guidelines.
The "musky community" is pretty bad already about calling each other out. If those asking others to change their behaviors do not emulate these behaviors, people will call them the out and this effort will look like the Haves (access to time on the water and the acquired knowledge there from) telling the rest of us what to do. |
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| When I began fishing muskies in Wisconsin any form of motor trolling was prohibited on Class A muskie lakes. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | R/T - 5/5/2025 10:55 AM
When I began fishing muskies in Wisconsin any form of motor trolling was prohibited on Class A muskie lakes.
When I began muskie fishing, J hook sucker fishing was "the way". There is clearly another way to do it without killing muskies. Just like with trolling. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Slamr - 5/5/2025 10:31 AM
and the "BUT" is will those that put this forth actually ensure that they and those around them follow these guidelines.
The "musky community" is pretty bad already about calling each other out. If those asking others to change their behaviors do not emulate these behaviors, people will call them the out and this effort will look like the Haves (access to time on the water and the acquired knowledge there from) telling the rest of us what to do.
Agree that needs some fine tuning given the intent of some of the things mentioned is obviously FFS directed for the most part but doing so by suggesting limitations on other gear. For example the "no use of gas motor" I think is directed at the FFS crowd that is doing high speed scanning or upstream scanning in current areas, rather than people trolling (without live imaging) or simply in a smaller boat puttering spot to spot.
The top slogan is very good and I think encompasses the overall intent. The peamble also does address your concerns with regards to the intent of the suggested practices.
The reality is that having a "traditional" way of fishing and having either actual regs or peer pressure-enforced conduct for a species is not something new in fishing or hunting. With muskies one can just look at catch and release as an example.
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| I applaud the effort. Hopefully this fosters a greater attitude of conservation throughout. |
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| While peer pressure certainly played a role in catch and release, I think science also played a role. Back in the mid 70s some folks I knew started to practice catch and release. Their actions were based on valid studies of the life cycle of muskie and how old a female musky needed to be to successfully spawn. That had a big influence on my decision to do catch and release. Those same type of study helped push for higher size limits for those that did keep their catch. Today, when a non-musky guys asks why catch and release, that is what I talk to them about, not that musky guys won't approve of harvesting a fish. |
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