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| Hi fellows,
What Electric Vehicles (EV) will be available to pull a musky boat around? That must be draining on the EV battery! |
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| Ford lightning will have no trouble. Towing may not affect mileage much. Only problem is range limit, which I think is about 300 miles, meaning only about 150 or less to the lake. |
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| I would prefer to buy a Jeep! |
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| I have been looking at a lightning, it has incredible torque but the initial reviews are that heavy towing will drop range by a substantial amount. 775 ft pounds of torque is big diesel territory but EV torque is supposedly not the same as internal combustion torque measurement, according to one article.
I am looking to buy when they are again available, but my towing will not be for great distances.
I did find one owner review where the guy pulled an Air Stream that weighed 6,500 pounds and he estimated it reduced range by almost 50%. He did have the standard battery pack but don't think that would make a difference in range reductions.
Edited by North of 8 7/24/2022 12:06 PM
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Location: Chisholm, MN | One charge might get me to the lake and back where I live. For the cost, it's not there yet. |
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| Until there are plug ins at access parking lots, not going to work very good. Good luck! |
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| Still need coal for the electricity to charge your batteries, more electric vehicles, more coal burning into the air. Also, what's the cost of the batteries when it's time for them to be replaced? And where are all these old batteries going to be dumped? I agree with Smell Esox- "Good luck". Kdawg |
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| kdawg - 7/27/2022 12:31 PM
Still need coal for the electricity to charge your batteries, more electric vehicles, more coal burning into the air. Also, what's the cost of the batteries when it's time for them to be replaced? And where are all these old batteries going to be dumped? I agree with Smell Esox- "Good luck". Kdawg
Far more electricity generated by natural gas than by coal. Also, solar and wind are producing more electricity every year. Coal generated electricity dropped 40% in a decade.
Just had a discussion with the guy that services my standby generator. His company has begun installing solar panels and storage for that electricity. Based on the amount of fuel the computer on my 2011 Yukon says I have used since I bought it 11 years ago, I could purchase enough panels, storage and inverter to power a Ford Lightning for less than I have paid for gasoline, and that was calculated at $2.75/gal. I have a stand alone storage garage where I store my boats and have room for the panels, storage units and electronic controls. Realize that is not always the case.
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| North of 8 - 7/27/2022 1:09 PM
kdawg - 7/27/2022 12:31 PM
Still need coal for the electricity to charge your batteries, more electric vehicles, more coal burning into the air. Also, what's the cost of the batteries when it's time for them to be replaced? And where are all these old batteries going to be dumped? I agree with Smell Esox- "Good luck". Kdawg
Far more electricity generated by natural gas than by coal. Also, solar and wind are producing more electricity every year. Coal generated electricity dropped 40% in a decade.
Just had a discussion with the guy that services my standby generator. His company has begun installing solar panels and storage for that electricity. Based on the amount of fuel the computer on my 2011 Yukon says I have used since I bought it 11 years ago, I could purchase enough panels, storage and inverter to power a Ford Lightning for less than I have paid for gasoline, and that was calculated at $2.75/gal. I have a stand alone storage garage where I store my boats and have room for the panels, storage units and electronic controls. Realize that is not always the case.  Kdawg |
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| kdawg - 7/27/2022 5:17 PM
North of 8 - 7/27/2022 1:09 PM
kdawg - 7/27/2022 12:31 PM
Still need coal for the electricity to charge your batteries, more electric vehicles, more coal burning into the air. Also, what's the cost of the batteries when it's time for them to be replaced? And where are all these old batteries going to be dumped? I agree with Smell Esox- "Good luck". Kdawg
Far more electricity generated by natural gas than by coal. Also, solar and wind are producing more electricity every year. Coal generated electricity dropped 40% in a decade.
Just had a discussion with the guy that services my standby generator. His company has begun installing solar panels and storage for that electricity. Based on the amount of fuel the computer on my 2011 Yukon says I have used since I bought it 11 years ago, I could purchase enough panels, storage and inverter to power a Ford Lightning for less than I have paid for gasoline, and that was calculated at $2.75/gal. I have a stand alone storage garage where I store my boats and have room for the panels, storage units and electronic controls. Realize that is not always the case. Good luck. Kdawg
LOL, lots of variables and going to be a while just to get one but something I am ready to try. OPEC and big oil give me indigestion . Going to need some luck |
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Location: Maribel WI | https://www.misoenergy.org/markets-and-operations/real-time--market-...
If you really want to see what our grid make up is. This is central US realtime. |
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It is a part of central USA, but not that big of a part.
In 2021, 38% of all electricity in the USA was produced by natural gas, 22% coal, 20% renewable and roughly 19% nuclear. This data comes from the U.S. Energy Information office, part of the dept. of energy. There is some thought that this year more coal will be used if natural gas prices rise. But coal used a lot of energy to mine and to transport, so that may not be the case.
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| The problem is that renewables can hardly keep up with new electricity demand. Imagine how much more demand there will be when we replace over 300 million vehicles with EVs in this country. I know my neighborhood doesn't have enough capacity flowing into it if everyone has an EV. Add two EVS per household and wowza. Storage is a joke at this time. We are talking about storing minutes worth of electricity. In other words, you can power your house for 5 minutes on your storage when electricity runs out or the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't out. |
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| Smell_Esox - 7/28/2022 2:50 PM
The problem is that renewables can hardly keep up with new electricity demand. Imagine how much more demand there will be when we replace over 300 million vehicles with EVs in this country. I know my neighborhood doesn't have enough capacity flowing into it if everyone has an EV. Add two EVS per household and wowza. Storage is a joke at this time. We are talking about storing minutes worth of electricity. In other words, you can power your house for 5 minutes on your storage when electricity runs out or the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't out.
Actually storage is far more advanced than that, with new high capacity units coming online all the time. Briggs and Stratton was late to the party but recently put out some really fine storage units through a subsidiary, SIMPLPHI ESS, storing 49KW. It is not at the point where you can power a home for a week but certainly for a day or more. Not cheap, but then, neither is gasoline.
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Location: SW Ohio | A bit long winded but shows how quickly the Rivian loses range compared to an F150 while towing an enclosed trailer. Lost half or more of its range. Food for thought. They will get better but not on my radar at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcZ_7qR_KBE |
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| OH Musky - 7/28/2022 5:20 PM
A bit long winded but shows how quickly the Rivian loses range compared to an F150 while towing an enclosed trailer. Lost half or more of its range. Food for thought. They will get better but not on my radar at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcZ_7qR_KBE
Interesting video. The narrator raves about the comfort of towing with the Rivian, compared to the hybrid F150. I was interested in that because the Ford Lightning supposedly has a number of features to aid in towing. One article indicated you did not need load leveling bars, that the vehicle somehow adjusts for the tongue weight to keep the vehicle level. And that was just one built in feature for towing. As to losing half its range, I used to tow a 7,800 pound travel trailer with a 3/4 ton chevy with a 350 engine and my mileage was reduced by about half as well. Of course lot faster to fill a gas tank. Towing across S. Dakota with a stiff cross wind on our way to the Black Hills I averaged 6mph or less per tank. On the way back, brutally hot day but no wind, averaged about 9mph. Thanks for posting. |
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| Not related to towing, but just saw that Ford has released the first photos and specs for it Police version of the Lightning. Has the same communications and electronic packages as it's standard police version of the Explorer, which is used by a lot of law enforcement. One thing that law enforcement should like is that it has a 0 to 60 time of 4 seconds flat. That is some kind of quick for a vehicle of that size. And with the advanced computer controlled power transmission at all four wheels, should not be spinning the tires.
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Here's a link to a test Motor Trend ran on towing with a Ford Lightning. Not good.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truc... |
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| wavridr - 8/3/2022 7:37 AM
Here's a link to a test Motor Trend ran on towing with a Ford Lightning. Not good.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truc...
Not good at all, much worse than an owner reported with an Airstream in one review. Not going to be a problem for me in that I don't tow my boat long distance but that is really bad. |
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| The EV will be significantly more efficient than a team of horses due to sustained speeds achieved. But similarities remain instead of unhitching your team for food and water each night you will simply have to stop and plug your EV into the diesel generator located in the truck bed. |
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| pstrombe - 8/4/2022 7:49 AM
The EV will be significantly more efficient than a team of horses due to sustained speeds achieved. But similarities remain instead of unhitching your team for food and water each night you will simply have to stop and plug your EV into the diesel generator located in the truck bed.
That should change quickly. Both Tesla and Ford are installing high voltage, quick charge stations by the thousands. But, if you are headed to remote Canadian lodges, that is a real issue. |
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Location: WI | pstrombe - 8/4/2022 7:49 AM
The EV will be significantly more efficient than a team of horses due to sustained speeds achieved. But similarities remain instead of unhitching your team for food and water each night you will simply have to stop and plug your EV into the diesel generator located in the truck bed.
If no one is around to hear that diesel generator, does it emit greenhouse gases? |
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| TCESOX - 7/24/2022 11:45 AM
Ford lightning will have no trouble. Towing may not affect mileage much. Only problem is range limit, which I think is about 300 miles, meaning only about 150 or less to the lake.
You're lucky to get 100 miles out of a Lightning when a decent sized trailer is attached. Hard pass. Definitely not their yet. |
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Location: oswego, il | North of 8 - 8/4/2022 8:39 AM
pstrombe - 8/4/2022 7:49 AM
The EV will be significantly more efficient than a team of horses due to sustained speeds achieved. But similarities remain instead of unhitching your team for food and water each night you will simply have to stop and plug your EV into the diesel generator located in the truck bed.
That should change quickly. Both Tesla and Ford are installing high voltage, quick charge stations by the thousands. But, if you are headed to remote Canadian lodges, that is a real issue.
Canada is way ahead of us as far as charging stations go. I drove to to Savant lake last year and every gas station had a couple charging stations even the remote ones not in a town. Ignace had several. There may be some remote places too far from a gas station but if you are in range of one there is most likely a charging station there. |
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| Rivian could tow,fast truck.Suv model too.If the tesla cybertruck ever gets released, at 40,000 that will be the one to get |
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