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Location: Brighton CO. | I was checking out the obits in the Vilas County News Review to see if any friends from the area passed and saw in the comments section that 2 comments on Big Muskie speared. Clicked on it and there was a picture of a Large Muskie speared out of Lake Minocqua this spring. I don't have a subscription and found it in the free part of the paper. Any info on this fish? |
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| A photo in the Minocqua paper held what appeared to be a 50 inch musky hoisted on a spear that was taken from Lake Minocqua this spring. |
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| Sucks getting old doesn't it? I check the Lakeland Times obituaries too... |
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Location: oswego, il | We have an obits section in the basement for us old farts. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | I've dodged a couple bullets to here! |
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Location: Chicago | https://vcnewsreview.com/Content/Default/OUTDOORS/Article/Giant-musk...
The above link is a picture of the speared fish. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | Yup that is it! |
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| Yea, it's the redsticks. I don't agree but it is their right to do whatever. They were here first; we stole the lands and waters, both of which would be in way better shape if we just left the injuns in charge.
Edited by Ranger 6/16/2022 7:22 PM
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Location: SE, WI. | Sad! He looks proud. She looks full with useless eggs;( |
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Location: Brighton CO. | Not much age difference between fish and spearer. Hope that the Taxidermist refuses to mount fish with spear marks. |
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Location: Duluth | Ranger has it right |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Ranger - 6/16/2022 7:20 PM
Yea, it's the redsticks. I don't agree but it is their right to do whatever. They were here first; we stole the lands and waters, both of which would be in way better shape if we just left the injuns in charge.
Federal law, and is what it is based upon the very law our Federal Govt put in place. Hard to look at but the entire program including GLIFWIC's contributions is a net positive in today's world.
Far as the eggs go, there's little NR in the chain and it's been traditionally dependent on stocking to meet angler expectations. Once again, we did that to ourselves with the degradation of habitat and a lot more.
Thankfully the Muskies Inc driven CPR ethic is now ingrained for most of us, and the overall population remains viable. |
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| sworrall - 6/17/2022 11:41 AM
Ranger - 6/16/2022 7:20 PM
Yea, it's the redsticks. I don't agree but it is their right to do whatever. They were here first; we stole the lands and waters, both of which would be in way better shape if we just left the injuns in charge.
Federal law, and is what it is based upon the very law our Federal Govt put in place. Hard to look at but the entire program including GLIFWIC's contributions is a net positive in today's world.
Far as the eggs go, there's little NR in the chain and it's been traditionally dependent on stocking to meet angler expectations. Once again, we did that to ourselves with the degradation of habitat and a lot more.
Thankfully the Muskies Inc driven CPR ethic is now ingrained for most of us, and the overall population remains viable.
Thanks Steve, good reminder about what GLIFWIC does to help not just fishing but the health of lakes and waterways. Things like promoting and restoring wild rice beds is not real dramatic but improves the health of lakes, provides great cover for wild fowl, etc. On rivers, wild rice bed restoration reduces erosion, etc. Unfortunately, stuff like that does not make for a dramatic photo op like a speared musky. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | Well friends I've spent a lifetime fishing, lodging, and eating from Rhinelander, Sugar Camp, Eagle River, Land O Lakes, Mercer, Boulder Junction, Sayner, St. Germain, and Minocqua/Woodruff. This is from my dad side of the family coming up from Racine WI. My mom's side of the family is from Minnesota, my grandma was a 1/4 Ojibway my mom an 1/8 and that makes me 1/16.
My mom was born at home in the town of Bena not for from lake Winibigoshish and all her uncles were guides. In the late 90's members of the tribe that lived in Minnesota could buy Leach Lake Band Of Ojibway License Plates the head honcho (chief) got license plate #1 my great uncle was still alive and had some pull in the tribe so he got #4. all my cousin got 123xyz ECT. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I am registered voting member of The Leach Lake Band Of The Ojibway with full fishing and hunting rights. |
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| chuckski - 6/17/2022 6:28 PM
Well friends I've spent a lifetime fishing, lodging, and eating from Rhinelander, Sugar Camp, Eagle River, Land O Lakes, Mercer, Boulder Junction, Sayner, St. Germain, and Minocqua/Woodruff. This is from my dad side of the family coming up from Racine WI. My mom's side of the family is from Minnesota, my grandma was a 1/4 Ojibway my mom an 1/8 and that makes me 1/16.
My mom was born at home in the town of Bena not for from lake Winibigoshish and all her uncles were guides. In the late 90's members of the tribe that lived in Minnesota could buy Leach Lake Band Of Ojibway License Plates the head honcho (chief) got license plate #1 my great uncle was still alive and had some pull in the tribe so he got #4. all my cousin got 123xyz ECT. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I am registered voting member of The Leach Lake Band Of The Ojibway with full fishing and hunting rights.
I sure don't know where to draw the line but 1/4 seems about right. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | I was born October 1960 in Jan 1961 they changed the rules so my grandma got all of us cousins registered beforehand, and I have a cousin born in June 1961 who is not a tribal member. Also I have family who have kids who have a way higher % of Ojibway and are not members of the tribe. (as far benefits go) |
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| She's had a lot of spawning cycles, it's a single fish. Nothing to get upset over. |
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| What do they do with a fish like that is it eaten? |
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Location: Brighton CO. | There are consumption alerts in place to limit exposure to Mercury. For example eat X amount of fish per month or do not eat a Walleye over this size. (bluh, blug blug. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Pepper - 6/18/2022 10:04 AM
What do they do with a fish like that is it eaten?[/QUOT
Yes, usually. |
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| I have no problem with legal harvest as long as it gets eaten. Wanton waste, overharvest, out of season harvest, etc. really gets on my nerves, though.
Tribal harvest? Well, they're perfectly within their rights. We harvest an awful lot more than the tribes, and we probably kill more muskies than they ever will simply by fishing in hot weather and poor handling.
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Location: oswego, il | It's ok to say you don't like it and disagree. I will say this if you think that's having an impact go on some of your local FB fishing pages. Cringe. Gross fish mishandling is the norm,.say something constructive and you'll look like Bonnie and Clyde's Ford. With all these new people taking up the sport, seeing and repeating these practices this will have a bigger impact. I seen a lure maker today with a death squeeze on a pike. |
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| esoxaddict - 6/18/2022 12:57 PM
I have no problem with legal harvest as long as it gets eaten. Wanton waste, overharvest, out of season harvest, etc. really gets on my nerves, though.
Tribal harvest? Well, they're perfectly within their rights. We harvest an awful lot more than the tribes, and we probably kill more muskies than they ever will simply by fishing in hot weather and poor handling.
Sad but true on the handling. Back when most musky tournaments in N. WI. were transport, we had a fisheries tech spend a good chunk of the summer and fall on our chain doing creel surveys. This was about 15 years ago and he had been at it for almost 40 years, starting right after he got back from Vietnam. He told me it was quite common for him to find big muskies floating on a Monday after a weekend tournament.
His theory was that guys kept those big fish out of the water too long, taking pictures and didn't properly revive. He acknowledged he didn't have scientific proof but he did see the dead fish, including a 48 on our chain the Monday after a tournament. Hopefully with transport tournaments pretty well a thing of the past, that isn't so bad anymore. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Great to see so many pragmatic views here. I was part of an enhancement group up here and asked as the resident biologist about walleye fishing prior to the season on a spawning stream by a first nation group (there was an uproar in the angling community). As per what my prof laid out early in our studies, the real issue is sustainability. It doesn't matter how the fish dies or what time in the year, it is not spawning next year. In our case if they are angled a month prior during ice fishing, or a month after, they are not going to spawn the next cycle - is there enough of them, that is the issue. If there is, then the how or when is basically irrelevant, especially when it comes to a sustenance fishery. It is a travesty though if fish or animals are harvested as trophies on the auspices of sustenance (Alaska has some progressive legislation in this regard, ie. cutting up moose antlers so animals are not deliberately harvested for trophy rack in a sustenance harvest).
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| Tough part is that a portion of these big fish violently shake off the spears. Some make it through as we see quite a few fish in the Hayward area with spear wounds (many are big females), I'd have to assume that quite a few die and sink to the bottom. |
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| Angling Oracle - 6/19/2022 1:55 PM
Great to see so many pragmatic views here. I was part of an enhancement group up here and asked as the resident biologist about walleye fishing prior to the season on a spawning stream by a first nation group (there was an uproar in the angling community). As per what my prof laid out early in our studies, the real issue is sustainability. It doesn't matter how the fish dies or what time in the year, it is not spawning next year. In our case if they are angled a month prior during ice fishing, or a month after, they are not going to spawn the next cycle - is there enough of them, that is the issue. If there is, then the how or when is basically irrelevant, especially when it comes to a sustenance fishery. It is a travesty though if fish or animals are harvested as trophies on the auspices of sustenance (Alaska has some progressive legislation in this regard, ie. cutting up moose antlers so animals are not deliberately harvested for trophy rack in a sustenance harvest).
Yes, my sister and her husband qualify for sustenance fishing and hunting in Alaska based on their remote location. The one thing they do take advantage of is harvesting some halibut each year, but one rule they must abide by is that the fish cannot be harvested with rod and reel, long line only. They can't even have a rod in the boat when they put out their lines. They don't take a lot because it is just the two of them. They can most of it so they are not at the mercy of their generator/solar panels failing and losing frozen meat. Same thing with crab. Get a halibut, put the remains in a crab pot. |
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