|
|
| Just saw an online ad for the HUMMER EV 1 due in Spring of 2021. 1,000 HP, 11,500 lbs of torque, 350+ mile range, 0 to 60 in 3 seconds. Way beyond what this retired guy can afford but a very impressive vehicle, at least on paper. Anyone thinking of picking one up? (That torque figure sounds like something you would expect with a locomotive) |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32833
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'd love one but the payment on $112000 is a little stiff. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 4080
Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Come on Steve, You Media guys can afford it ! Bwaahaaa...!
|
|
| |
|
| sworrall - 10/21/2020 2:39 PM
I'd love one but the payment on $112000 is a little stiff.
Maybe when the smallest version, 3, comes out? Less HP, less torque but will be able to pick one up for a measly $95,000. (According to the finance guys in the auto business, the average car buyer is under water when they drive off the lot. One of the F&I guys at the largest GMC dealer in WI is someone I hired for his first professional job out of college. Might give him a call and see how they will handle financing on those.) |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1000
| The Hummer is pretty cool - especially crab mode. That said, Rivian's truck is the one I'm most excited for. A little smaller than a half ton, but with crazy capability. That could tow the boat and fit down most grouse trails.
It's exciting seeing these EV's coming on the market. Can only imagine what things are going to be like in 10 years. Figure once you get to 500 miles on a charge you're probably looking at 250 towing. If you can recharge 1-200 miles in 30 min that could work for me. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 676
Location: Wisconsin | Cybertruck is ugly as heck, but 500 mile range with the new batteries, solar panel on the roof to help recharge the batteries, and will have full autodrive. I wish they would add a feature to tell the truck to pull me and the boat out of the water, would help solo fall landings. We'll see what Chevy and Ford have coming out in the next couple years as well. Telsa superchargers are in Duluth, Kenora and Vermilion Bay so that's nice as well. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 69
Location: Royalton, MN | I saw that. Looks like a mean machine!
I’m holding out for the electric Silverado. I’ll get one in spring of 2030 when the market is flooded with dozens of different options and they go for $53,000 like my current one. |
|
| |
|
| BassThumb - 10/26/2020 10:33 AM
I saw that. Looks like a mean machine!
I’m holding out for the electric Silverado. I’ll get one in spring of 2030 when the market is flooded with dozens of different options and they go for $53,000 like my current one.
In an independent review I read about the Hummer, the electric Silverado project was mentioned and the author said that would be more of a "truck" than the Hummer which basically has a unibody construction, like a car. He didn't spell it out but seemed to indicate the electric Silverado would have a body on frame set up like current trucks. He also stated that GM has pointedly not discussed towing performance. Will be interesting to watch. Must be some advantage to the full frame, truck structure or GM wouldn't be looking to develop both. Any engineers on here who could shed some light on that? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32833
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Interesting. Range is still an issue for me, but probably not much longer. Sue just leased a 2021 Tacoma for under $250 a month, and my '07 Tundra is still going strong, so I'm set for a while. |
|
| |
|
Location: Sawyer County, WI | Very nice, but I’d be satisfied to get an old school hummer |
|
| |
|
Posts: 4080
Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | dfkiii - 10/26/2020 9:13 PM
Very nice, but I’d be satisfied to get an old school hummer
Well, if this just turned into a wish list ... I'll take 57 Chevy or a 65 String Ray |
|
| |
|
Posts: 199
| sworrall - 10/26/2020 11:20 AM
Interesting. Range is still an issue for me, but probably not much longer. Sue just leased a 2021 Tacoma for under $250 a month, and my '07 Tundra is still going strong, so I'm set for a while.
how much down? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 8
| Those ranges are almost always based on no heater running, no air conditioner, not pulling anything, etc. All of which greatly decrease the range very quickly. And when you run out range, where is the next charging station? And then, how long to recharge? The tech is still not there yet to get the "useful" range up and the price down. Probably eventually, but I think we're still 10 years in battery technology away. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1000
| limnos - 10/30/2020 7:17 PM
Those ranges are almost always based on no heater running, no air conditioner, not pulling anything, etc. All of which greatly decrease the range very quickly. And when you run out range, where is the next charging station? And then, how long to recharge? The tech is still not there yet to get the "useful" range up and the price down. Probably eventually, but I think we're still 10 years in battery technology away.
If you look at your typical mileage drop when towing, and compare to the results seen by the Tesla X, they're pretty similar. Tesla owners are consistently reporting a 40-50% drop, which is pretty close to what I've seen.
On this basis, a 500 mile range would put you at 250 miles towing. At 250 miles with reasonable overnight charging or 1 hour top-offs, I could make an electric work. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 676
Location: Wisconsin | The Cybertruck will now have the new battery that Tesla announced last month. Sounds like range could be 550 or more with the capabilities of using the V3 superchargers. With 50% drop in range towing, maybe 300 miles range. With supercharger you could get less than 30 minute recharge times at superchargers. The network of those is growing everyday and if you look at the map there are vast numbers of them even in Canada. I could make Duluth, recharge and make my resort on LOTW. Plug it in up there (or use the solar panel roof to add miles) and make the return to Duluth for recharge. Or I could do Three Lakes with no charging, even have the solar panel roof collect some miles while I am out fishing. Plus, the Three Lakes Winery has a charging station on site, so taste test some wine and get some miles. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 267
| The problem with the superchargers is they will shorten the life of your batteries I believe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 676
Location: Wisconsin | It appears that supercharger doesn't affect battery life at all. The new batteries are looking to get 2 million miles on them. Really, if you're using supercharging on long trips you shouldn't ever have to worry about it. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 790
Location: North Central IL USA | I won't be getting any kinda of electric vehicle in what's left of my life time. We're many years off from that system being perfected! |
|
| |
|
| GM is set to begin delivery of the Electric Hummer. The one stat I had not seen until now was the weight of this beast. Over 9,200 pounds. That is more than the combined weight of my Yukon XL, my 18-foot Lund Pro V with 90 and 15 hp motors and trailer. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 3139
| Do you need a "current" license to drive one,,, |
|
| |
|
Posts: 486
Location: Northern Illinois | As long as you'e talking electrics, I read an article in the Tribune today about the Tesla Model S Plaid. Look at these numbers:
0-60 in 1.99 seconds
0-120 in about 7 seconds
1,020 hp
1/4 mile in 9.23 seconds at 156 mph
0-100-0 in 8.23 seconds |
|
| |
|
Posts: 528
Location: WI | North of 8 - 12/19/2021 8:10 AM
GM is set to begin delivery of the Electric Hummer. The one stat I had not seen until now was the weight of this beast. Over 9,200 pounds. That is more than the combined weight of my Yukon XL, my 18-foot Lund Pro V with 90 and 15 hp motors and trailer.
For some reason I’m thinking of the bumpy freeway stretch that wakes my sleeping kids when visiting my folks when I read this. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1249
| As new technology gets more mainstream the prices have a way of going down. My laptop has more computing power then the first Apollo Lunar Module.
|
|
| |
|
| RLSea - 12/19/2021 8:17 PM
As long as you'e talking electrics, I read an article in the Tribune today about the Tesla Model S Plaid. Look at these numbers:
0-60 in 1.99 seconds
0-120 in about 7 seconds
1,020 hp
1/4 mile in 9.23 seconds at 156 mph
0-100-0 in 8.23 seconds
The drag strip number is like something out of Pro Stock. I wonder, is it the all-wheel drive and the nature of the electric motors that allows them to pull that kind of acceleration without turning the tires into grease? (I am assuming the numbers do not involve swapping out the tires for big drag slicks all the way around) |
|
| |
|
Posts: 486
Location: Northern Illinois | It has a special start sequence that is initiated by stepping on the brake and accelerator at the same time, then releasing the brake. It doesn't go full torque right off the bat to keep the wheels from spinning. All wheel drive with 3 motors providing the power. The 0 to 100 to 0 number is crazy and I'm thinking is accomplished by dynamic braking in the motors. |
|
| |
|
| The way dynamic or regenerative braking is used in electric vehicles is really interesting. I know locomotives have used dynamic braking in combination with their electric drive motors for years. I wonder how much, if any, the proven technology from locomotives helps with EVs.
The start sequence you mention must trigger some sort of program? My first thought was all that torque from a source where it is available instantly, how can you not smoke the tires?
Think I need to do some reading about this technology. Hope there are some information sources out there that don't require an advanced degree in physics to understand. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32833
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | chuckski - 12/19/2021 10:26 PM
As new technology gets more mainstream the prices have a way of going down. My laptop has more computing power then the first Apollo Lunar Module.
I hope so, I'd love to go electric now that I am not on the road as much. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 63
| My 2013 Suburban just clicked 150k so it's got another 150, but when she's dead, the Cybertruck or Rivian will be my go-to. Some of the cool features for camping look sweet. I'd take 2 days rather than 1 to get the 500 miles I need.
Edited by tenthousandand1 12/23/2021 9:44 AM
|
|
| |
|
| I did find an article from Road & Track where the author says the way GM calculated the torque for the Hummer is misleading when you compare it to internal combustion engine. They state that if you used the same method for a GMC large diesel pickup the torque for the diesel would be 15,000 lbs, instead of 600+lbs. |
|
| |
