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Location: Northern Illinois | I've had the same spinning reel for backyard bass for the last 10 years - spooled with 12 lb mono. Never got a single knot in the line while casting.
Got a new St Croix Premier PS66MLF bass rod with a Plueger President 2500 size reel. I spooled it with Suffix 832 Superline 8lb braid. I want to throw lighter lures with it and it works effortlessly. I really like it. However, I'm getting occasional knots in the line. Very annoying. Waching casting into the wind, overcasting, lighter lures than 1/4 oz, but still happens througout the course of a fishing day. Lots of time I can't get the knot out.
Any ideas why I'm seeing this so much with the new combo?
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Location: NE Ohio | lines too heavy. got to go down to 30# ish i'd say. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | The line on there is super light. It's 8 lb braid. |
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Location: oswego, il | I am sure the reels are much different but 22 years ago I bought two pfleuger spinning reels. Both were tangle magnets. Unbelievable. I took them back, bought a Shimano Spirex problem solved. I put a new ring gear in it last year it's packed and going to Canada on Wednesday. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I'm wondering if I'm just not used to the large amount of slack line I'm getting after the cast with the really light line on long casts. I tried this morning with a really light lure and closing the bail right at landing and sweeping the rod a little or pulling the tip up to get tension on the line before I start to reel. Didn't get any knots. Still kinda monitoring the situation and looking for a definitive answer as a knot is the last thing I want when I'm out there fishing and relaxing. |
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Location: NE Ohio | they always say match the mono size of the braid to your fishing application NOT the lb test of the braid.
so power pro 30 lb braid = 8 lb mono dia. (if thats the size of lb test you were looking for from your post above)
this should solve your issues unless problems as stated by todd above exist. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | The only things I know of that twist braid are lures that twist on the fall like some tubes and cranking the handle against the drag. |
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| Remove the lure, while your boat is moving let the line come off the reel and drag in the water. When you're down to the end of the line reel it back in. That will remove the line twist. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Always close he bail by hand, not by the handle, to prevent twists. m |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I definitely always close the bail by hand.
The thing I'm trying to figure out is why I see this on the new setup and what I can do to prevent it. My actions when using the old setup are the same as the new setup (my muscle memory wouldn't let me change that fast even if I wanted too). On older setup (6ft medium rod, moderate fast, plueger trion reel, 12 lb mono) I have casted thousands of times without a single wind knot. |
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Location: oswego, il | Always close the bail by hand, just make it part of your mechanics after awhile you won't think about it. If for no other reason the bail spring is the most common part failure on a spinning reel.and if you're reel isn't current you may not be able to fix it. |
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| Wind knots come from braid.
Besides closing the bail by hand (which you're already doing), it helps to make sure you don't have any slack in your line at the beginning of your retrieve. When I'm casting into a strong wind, I actually reel the line through my fingers at the start to make sure there's no slack.
Also, anything that causes a sudden deceleration in lure movement (in the air or in the water) can cause wind knots. For example, I used to have many problems with jerkbaits on spinning gear until I switched to casting gear. Also, if you have a big leader knot, it can slow down your cast considerably as it goes through your guides. The FG and modified Abright knots are worth learning. On a similar note, it helps to feather your line as your lure hits the water to reduce the deceleration. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | I started out muskie fishing with spinning gear. I really liked the way I can fish shallow water and get the bait moving toward me the minute it hits the water ,since you're not changing hands. I don't recall having the twisties, tho. m |
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Location: Walker, MN | Not reeling against the drag while fighting a fish is important too, as this will add a twist with every turn of the reel handle. Also, spooling up without twist is really very important with a spinner.
You can also look at how the line is laying on the spool. New reels often come with a couple of spool shim washers so you can adjust the line-lay. If it is bunched-up a bit too high on one side of the spool or the other, this can cause wind knots.
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Location: Northern Illinois | Okay, here's the important update you've all been waiting for 
I've been out last maybe 5 times without a single knot. I've been making a concious effort to 1.) make a slight sweep of the rod to eliminate line slack right after I close the bail (by hand) after the lure hits the water and before reeling. But, there are two other conditions that I've eliminated as well: 2.) Not using the little Mepps spinners I was using on a couple of occasions when I got the knots and 3.) not using the double uni-knot to flourocarbon leader that I was previously using (however, I got knots one day while using a spinner without the double uni-knot).
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Location: Northern Illinois | Always use a swivel with a spinner. |
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| Unfortunately braid combined with light weight will always be one cast away from getting knotted up on spinning gear. Anything that spins,twirls, or creates slack will be the most vulnerable. For any line really but especially with how soft braid is. Unless you make a perfect cast everytime where the lure doesn't tumble in the air, matched with the perfect retrieve where the bait doesn't loop de loop through the water you either need a swivel or you can untwist you line at the end of your retrieve by running it through your fingers for the last 10 feet or so and letting it spin free before making another cast ( this helps but doesn't cure all ) . This is the very reason baitcasting reels are so prevalent with artificial baits and why alot of walleye guys use tiny barrel swivels on their spinning gear. I used to only use spinning gear and when I used lures I periodically would tie on a swivel with a 1/2oz sinker or heavy bobber ( like wood ) and make bomb cast to remove twist, making about 3 casts. I would also start my day by doing this to remove twist and free up line that may be sticky from previous trips out,, from stuff like algae. Regardless of line choice wet works best! Also when you get a wind knot don't just crank it back fast, ease it back and that will help you have a better chance at getting it out without having to cut and retire. Hope this helps |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I use light braid for bass, crappies, and bluegills. If your line is wind-knotting, the above covers it, but the absolute for sure fix is going from 8# to 15#. I am using Reaction Tackle 15# (good stuff, and not expensive) on half a dozen spinning outfits, two of which have Pflueger reels. Very small diameter, incredibly strong, and even the big slab crappies fall to tungsten or lead jigs, spinners, etc. with no issues. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I tied on a 9 inch piece of flouro to a mepps marabou with a #3 Colorado blade (yes marabou with #3 Colorado and if you know where to get more let me know) and the other end to small swivel. I then attached the swivel to my 8lb braid. Went out back to the pond. No knots. Got a bass too. I'll try some more before saying it's totally solved.
Also, I realize I can go up a little with the test to a #15 and if I still see issues I will do that. That number #8 braid with the medium light rod casts sooo far though. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | sworrall - 8/30/2021 11:00 AM
I use light braid for bass, crappies, and bluegills. If your line is wind-knotting, the above covers it, but the absolute for sure fix is going from 8# to 15#. I am using Reaction Tackle 15# (good stuff, and not expensive) on half a dozen spinning outfits, two of which have Pflueger reels. Very small diameter, incredibly strong, and even the big slab crappies fall to tungsten or lead jigs, spinners, etc. with no issues.
I tried this line in 20# this year fishing for bass using Senkos and small jigs/plastics. Good stuff and no problems. |
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Posts: 2015
| I really like Fireline on spinning reels ...good ole original 3/8 fireline is the best I've found for throwing stuff like #5 shad raps, small husky jerks, 1/16th oz jigs , etc. |
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| I've tried fireline myself back in the day when I got a free spool (12lb). That stuff was pretty awesome! I used to tie a trilene knot then take a lighter and slightly melt that knot. With snags I broke hooks not my line!! Pretty impressive stuff and casts excellent, I don't know if it's the same anymore or not but the original 20 years ago was amazing. |
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