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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | I just caught my secong tiger out of this lake today, not very big at about 18-20" each.( first one was back in summer)
This lake has been introduced to naturals 17 years ago with no known natural reproduction occurring since.
Since I am finding Tigers now, does that mean there could be some successful natural reproduction as well??
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| Sounds like it, if there are also Notherns in the lake. Not sure if muskies are unable to reproduce successfully, might Northerns and Muskies have a better chance? |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | the lake is crawling with hammer handles |
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| Not to push anyones buttons......but you sure it was a tiger?? 20 inch pure barred muskies look awful pretty when they are that little and are really marked up nice. Not saying it wasnt but jsut giving you some thought. |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | I took these pics of it and did a water release, is this a tiger?
Edited by GregM 11/24/2003 9:52 PM
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| I'm pretty sure those arent tigers. |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | hmm, ok. Thanks for identifying thme for me. I thought cuz of the srtipes they were. They were very pronounced that the pic showed some, but not as well as the real deal.
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Location: oswego, il | Greg, those look like naturals to me too. |
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Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland | Sorry to disagree with you guys, but I believe they are Tigers. Check out the rounded fins - typical sign of a Tiger Musky. The pores under the mouth can also be checked along with the scales on the face for a true identification. Can't tell from photo.
Here's a section on my site with photos of Tigers. Check them out for comparison: http://www.toothycritters.com/photos.html
Edited by muskiekid 11/25/2003 9:35 PM
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | Thanks Kid, appreciate your backround with Tigers and your input.
assuming they are tigers, obviously, it's a cross between a pike and musky.
Since pike are supposed to spawn much earlier than musky, how does this happen?
also, does it matter which one is the female(the pike or the musky) for a tiger to be created?
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Location: oswego, il | Greg, it happens when there is a fast increase in water temps. The male pike are still in the mood when the female musky do their thing. |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | soo, that means the female musky eggs are viable??
in non-reproducing lakes, what is the cause..the male muskies are "shootin blanks"? |
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Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland | A Tiger Muskellunge can be a cross between either sex of either species. In hatcheries, it's usually a male northern pike and female Musky. This combo results in more eggs.
Not sure about them in the wild, but it's a rare occasion in most places. The life span of a Tiger hybrid is 10-12 years. Naturals are known to live to 30 years up north.
In this area (Maryland) they the stocking program is in it's 11th year. Fish have been netted as large as 33 lbs. The state record of 29 lbs. 4 0z. was 8 years old according to a scale sample and waw 49 1/2 inches long. My largest this year was 44 inches long and weighed (estimated) at around 20 lbs. The world record CPR's fish was 53" long. The record by weight was 51 lbs. 3 0z and caught at the Lac Vieux Desert (Michigan/Wisconsin lake) in 1919 by George Knobla. It was recognized as the world record Musky until it was identified as a Tiger Muskellunge. I have a section on my website: http://www.toothycritters.com with all of the records for each state. Here's a picture of it for you:
Edited by muskiekid 12/3/2003 4:24 AM
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Location: oswego, il | Muskiekid and Greg, the fish picture you posted look identical to fish that size I have been catching in indiana which are naturals. |
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Location: Lindenhurst, Illinois | Looks like a natural to me. A tiger would have more spots in the bars.Generally there are three types of naturals, the Leech Lakers that are spotted, the one that are almost silver that have very faint bars and the ones that have the very noticable bars. |
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Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland | Could be a barred Muskie. Without checking the pores or scales, it's a bit hared to really tell. |
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Location: Kawartha Lakes, Ontario | That definately looks like a muskie (not a tiger). Keep in mind that colours and markings can vary significantly between fish in the same waterbody. As others have suggested, count the pores under the jaw and look for scales on the cheek to be sure. |
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| Natural. No indication of anything but. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | My vote is for a natural also. I seem to catch a lot of smaller fish that look like that, and then seem to grow out of the stark bars that they display. The bars fade as the fish seem to get browner and browner. Look at pics of baby muskies (maybe a year or less old) you'll see how pronounced the bars are. |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | Hey thanks guys!!
I can live with it, if it is a natural. I am actually glad it is a natural, cuz the tigers don't get as big.
I was hoping that there was some sort of reproduction going on though, whether it be 2 ski's or a pike/and a ski. |
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