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Location: Ashland WI | From discussion on the Bobbie bait topic.
If you have a "magic" lure that seems to catch big fish at a higher than normal rate (for you), do you retire it because you don't want to lose it?
Or do you keep throwing it (and catching fish) until it breaks or is lost? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Throw it. Destroy. Rebuild. |
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Location: oswego, il | What Steve said. There are baits worth getting refinished, fixed or whatever you need to get them working again. Don't leave your star player on the bench! |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I retired a beat up old hawg wobbler years ago. I decided to try it this year for the heck of it and caught one on my 3rd cast with it. I don’t retire baits anymore unless it’s actually broken. This baits only works for about 10 minutes before it sinks but that’s all it too I guess. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
Being the one who politely disagreed in the bobbie bait thread, I would say it depends...
If that lure is not a MAGIC lure (this was not stated in the bobbie bait thread) but HAS caught your personal best, I'd say retire it and enjoy the memories of it.
If that lure is one that has consistently caught many fish of sizable proportions, then yes...keep throwing it, given it can be rebuilt. Getting a personal best with a lure like a bobbie will eventually destroy it as it is a wood bait. I would miss having the lure. My first personal best came on a black and orange bladed DCG. the blades were about to wear through at the attachment hole. That lure probably had 10 fish on it before the last two, the first being my personal best, and the second being an inch shorter. I didn't want to lose anything from that lure...so it is now proudly part of the replica as many may have seen in some of the replica threads of past.
I had a magic lure at one time (little 6" perch colored grandma), lost it on a northern. That lure probably had 40 or so 36" and larger fish under it's belt before losing it. Never had a personal best with it, though, which is why I kept throwing it. If it had caught my personal best with it, it'd be hanging with the replica. Still miss that lure, and no other lure has come even close to what I was able to do with it.
Heck...I've still got the one lure that got me started on the muskie addiction. Never caught a muskie on it, it's faded, beat up, and I won't get rid of it for anything.
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| Pay it forward!
I had a bucktail that I had personally caught three over 53" on and five over 50". I gave it to a friend who has since caught fish over 50" on it and let others in his boat use it who have caught fish over 50" on it. I think that specific bait now has five muskies 53"+ on it and numerous 50"s.
There is no doubt some baits just have that something special to them. I will admit I have thought about stealing the bait back a time or two since I have given it up.
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| Toss til dead. Rebuild it if possible, but rarely the same after. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | It's locked in a safe.  I agree, some baits do seem to have some magic... I had a bucktail with 23 fish on it before one of the blades wore thru a clevis, it seemed to call in fish even fishing 2nd or 3rd bait thru... another double 10 I currently have has 5 over 50" on it and numerous other big ones...some baits emit a sound or vibration that others don't.. I know guys like Gelb have said they have had certain depthraiders that always get the big ones... if it has mojo keep it in the water |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | I likes the quote: "I'd rather have a magic spot than a magic bait. " m |
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| I have a couple,,I save them for tournament s and special trophy destinations. |
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| imo there is no magic baits.only the wet baits will caught fish,that simple |
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| I know one thing you only catch them on what you throw, so if you throw the same bait, well you get my point.. guess my experience has been different than some , yes I’ve caught a couple o 50’s on the same bait cause I threw the snot out of it.. of the 8 I’ve caught over 52” none came on the same bait .. 2 ate dbl CG’s but different colors. I’ll always offer the bait I just caught a fish on to anyone in my boat to use. Not a magic bait believer personally.. but big believer in confidence so if you’re lucky enough to own a magic bait throw it!  |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | IAJustin - 12/6/2019 8:05 PM
I know one thing you only catch them on what you throw, so if you throw the same bait, well you get my point.. guess my experience has been different than some , yes I’ve caught a couple o 50’s on the same bait cause I threw the snot out of it.. of the 8 I’ve caught over 52” none came on the same bait .. 2 ate dbl CG’s but different colors. I’ll always offer the bait I just caught a fish on to anyone in my boat to use. Not a magic bait believer personally.. but big believer in confidence so if you’re lucky enough to own a magic bait throw it! :)
I would argue that one cowgirl could be better than the other, even if they are the same color and size. I think one can have another sound or vibration that gets fish going better than the other would. Same could go for any bait. One may run better than the other in the case of wood baits or topwater. So in my opinion, you could have a special one that does actually catch more fish than another, even if they are thrown the same amount of time. |
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| Do all Muskies in the lake want to eat the same lure on the same day? I’m not discounting a bait can be hot but I’ve never seen a magic bait. Couple hundred ski’s on over 50 different double cowgirls tell me pretty confidently they all can work, same with a dozen weagles ..same with the 9 choppers I own, all seem to work for me with lots of fish on all of them.. the ones I’ve thrown the most have caught the most.. I’ve sometimes seen it trolling were one bait is the hot bait that day..next day they often prefer something else... if you want to throw your one magic cowgirl all day and your confident be my guest ,just not my experience of what works.
Couple more thoughts, how do you ever know you really had the right bait on that day? Even if you have a great day let’s say you catch 3 42-45” Muskies throwing a black nickel CG ... what if you threw a pink showgirl all day? What if the 55” the watches the black nickel CG go by it’s face that day, just happened to want a pink showgirl that day? Stuff that keeps the game interesting
Edited by IAJustin 12/6/2019 11:09 PM
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Location: Chisholm, MN | How do you know you wouldnt have caught 16 over 52 if you had the magic bait? Obviously there are a lot of factors that go into it. And obviously you can get lucky and catch a 52 on any bait when the fish is hot. Also, a “magic” lure is only as good as the guy throwing it. But I do believe some baits work better than others based on very small differences that the average fisherman cannot notice.
Let’s call it a special bait. Obviously it’s not going to work on every fish every time. I feel I have two baits that are special though. I think it’s the sound. Others exactly like it do not produce as well based on my unscientific observations, and I asked the hundreds of northern Minnesota muskies in my net the question.
Edited by Kirby Budrow 12/7/2019 8:11 AM
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Location: Contrarian Island | Food for thought Justin. The bucktail Brett referenced above I caught a 53 one night along with 3 other 50s in the boat. In 1 night. The next night I gave it to a buddy in a diff boat. The only fish caught between 6 anglers the next night was a 52.25 on that bucktail. Of the 100s if not 1000s of baits I have thrown. 4 stick out. That is one of them. Choose to believe whatever you wish...to me youve just never had 1...and those that know me know I believe 99.9% of the time its all timing and not the bait
Edited by BNelson 12/7/2019 10:22 AM
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| I’m gonna continue to concentrate on the 99.9% of the time! |
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| how a fish whit a brain smaller than a pea could be that fancy ? if they would be that fancy they would not grow that big they would literally died of poor nutrition lol. of course even if there is just one brand of easy spin clevis ,they will do some really extra tiny different sound and vibration,but imo not to the point to turn them into crazy bitters. at the end it's just a dumb fish, even if you cast ur magic lure all day long in front of his face that is gonna bite if he his hungry and will not if he's not. i think it's just a human behavior to use what gives him good result in the past. for bass after 30 min if nothings move after an hour,you know it must be about baits so you change you lures but whit musky it's more complicated so it's a lil bit more easy to use comfort lure to reassure us in front of a fish that seems to always broken the pseudo things we take for granted,like the good musky weather ,lures,colors etc etc |
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Location: Contrarian Island | this is a bit of an extreme example but it's why I think there are times a certain bait could elicit a strike over another
say you know where a musky is, you put out a sucker that is less than lively... musky might be active and not hit it right? put out a lively sucker on that same fish that is active it wacks it... while I am a big believer in timing.. I have also seen where a very few certain baits results are pretty hard to ignore.... fish with whatever you have confidence in is the bottom line. |
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| The obvious question here is (BNelson) What bucktail are you referring too? |
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| I've seen this replay enough times to believe it's more than a confidence thing. I've got 2 such lures. One only lasts a couple of casts until you have to re-bend the blades. I've had replacements made that sometimes catch a fish or at least get one to show itself. But this one gets eaten. I keep saying "one more fish" and it's going on the wall, but I can't bring myself to retire it when it still (kind of ) works.
The other one died on a 45"er. Now missing a blade.
I have exact replacements for both, and they just don't catch fish like the old ones. |
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Location: Already Gone | esoxaddict - 12/8/2019 12:14 PM
I've seen this replay enough times to believe it's more than a confidence thing. I've got 2 such lures. One only lasts a couple of casts until you have to re-bend the blades. I've had replacements made that sometimes catch a fish or at least get one to show itself. But this one gets eaten. I keep saying "one more fish" and it's going on the wall, but I can't bring myself to retire it when it still (kind of ) works.
The other one died on a 45"er. Now missing a blade.
I have exact replacements for both, and they just don't catch fish like the old ones.
This right here^
I have a certain Suick that is unstoppable. It makes it difficult to try other baits, especially when time on the water is limited. So I dance with who I brought...and let the chips fall where they may. |
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Location: Duluth | Yep, I'm a huge believer in presentation and timing. That said I have a hawg wob and fat bastard that just catch more fish. Something about them. I'm also very quick to share with boat partners, handing off the "hot bait" has resulted in some great group days. Ain't no fun unless everyone can have some |
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| I have heard Brad Nelson state many times "They eat what we throw". Which would support IA Justin's beliefs, but he also fishes enough to know that there are a few baits that just have something special to them.
You just can't argue with the results when you have two or three identical baits and one clearly out-produces the others.
I gave Brad that special bucktail with a little of the same line of thought...I have more that will work just as well. Nope...they don't.
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | I buy a duplicate, and throw the crap out of it knowing that if something happens I have another one ready. I generally don’t believe in magic baits. I’ve had baits that were virtually unstoppable one week on LOTW and then the next year spend the week sitting on the bench collecting dust.
....with that said, I happened to pick up a new bait this year that will be entering 2020 with an audition for magic status. One of those “ I could see this working on _______” purchases that often result in wasted money but every so often exceed your expectations.
Edited by Musky Brian 12/10/2019 10:09 AM
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