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Message Subject: Zam insurance Alert !.............
ESOX Maniac
Posted 6/4/2003 2:02 PM (#72255)
Subject: Zam insurance Alert !.............





Posts: 2754


Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

Hi-  just wanted to get this up where people can see it. As some of you may be aware ZaltNAD introduced a brand new lure called a Zam to the Muskie world. If you don't know what they look like go to our website.

But there is a problem!! The problem is that lure materail/internal design may not be tough enough for big Muskies. One of the MF board member (MuskieE) lost a very big fish, when the fish struck and broke the lure in half. We can actually see where a fang penetrated the lure precipitating the failure. MuskieE also had another fish break a Zam in half this last weekend. This time however,  it had both hooks and he was fortunate enough to land a 48.5 inch fish.

We have also recieved comments from our prostaff expressing concern about the internal construction, including a report from Karen DiPietro about breaking two Zam's on rocks during the Shelbyville PMTT.

We are examining all avenues to fix the problem. This includes internal design, plastic material and potentially through wire construction. I can assure you it will be solved.

The Zam is a great lure- it has the action and appeal to attract and catch big muskies. In the interm we recommend that anyone who's using a Zam for Muskies, please add a little insurance policy. See the attached photo.

To our customers we apologize for this inconvienence and hope you understand that all of us a Zalt are very concerned. We are all fisherman and the last thing we want is for you to lose that fish of a lifetime because a failure of one of our lures.

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com

"the zalt dances like a stripper in need of cash" ToddM 2003



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jawbone
Posted 6/4/2003 2:20 PM (#72259 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




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Any issues with the Zalt?
Dave K
Posted 6/4/2003 2:38 PM (#72263 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




Posts: 114


Location: Chicago
Al,

Sounds like you guys run a very reputable operation. I was thinking of picking up a Zalt this weekend (J&J) and had the same question as above. Any issues? How does the Zalt compare to the Zam action wise.

Thanks for keeping us update about the products.

Dave K
ESOX Maniac
Posted 6/4/2003 2:43 PM (#72265 - in reply to #72259)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

At this time I would recommend a similar modification to the Zalt, simply because they are probably same material composition. MuskieE has experience as an plastic injection mold design /machinist. He thinks it's a mold problem. It will take a little while to get a final answer.

As for differences in action- they are both pretty crazy- the dance is up to you. Try a good stiff jerk bait rod & leader. I use a G Loomis 6' 6" jerk bait rod.

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com



Edited by ESOX Maniac 6/4/2003 2:52 PM
Dave K
Posted 6/4/2003 2:59 PM (#72266 - in reply to #72265)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




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Location: Chicago
Al,

How exactly did you make that insurance policy in your photo attachment?

Dave K
ESOX Maniac
Posted 6/4/2003 5:08 PM (#72278 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

10" piece of seven strand (your choice as to how heavy) + 2 crimp sleeves.  + a little glue to hold the seven strand against the belly. 5-minute epoxy may be a little better than superglue. a couple of small rubber bands to help hold the seven strand while the glue sets.

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com



Edited by ESOX Maniac 6/4/2003 5:12 PM
Stan Durst
Posted 6/4/2003 5:13 PM (#72279 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




Posts: 246


Location: Jamestown, Pa.
Hey Al,
Any word for me or have I been forgotten in the rush?
Hmmmmm Custom Zams, or should we call them Candy Zams??
Shoot me an email
Schuler
Posted 6/4/2003 6:03 PM (#72285 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Davenport, IA
Al, does the insurance affect the action of the zam at all?
ESOX Maniac
Posted 6/4/2003 6:12 PM (#72286 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

Zach- No the lure action is not affected. It just doesn't look as pretty. 

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com

Mark H.
Posted 6/4/2003 8:50 PM (#72307 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




Posts: 1936


Location: Eau Claire, WI
This type of modification/insurance can be applied to any crankbait, specifically jointed models that you might be speed trolling. Lindy's Big-M jointed, and any others your banging rocks with or are concerned with the structural integrety.

Good heads-up Al, shows you guys are serious about customer satisfaction. Hat's off to all at Euro for trying to improve what they have.

ToddM
Posted 6/4/2003 10:08 PM (#72314 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: oswego, il
Al, thanks for the heads up. The zam and zalt have great action, had a fish up on a zam last weekend. I will give this mod a try. These lures are just too good not to use
ESOX Maniac
Posted 6/5/2003 4:30 PM (#72390 - in reply to #72314)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

ttt-don't want to miss anyone on this- thanks MF.

 

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com

MJB_04
Posted 10/31/2003 1:49 AM (#86471 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Since it's been quite a few months, has there been any progress on this case?
Thanks,
MJB
ESOX Maniac
Posted 10/31/2003 8:00 AM (#86489 - in reply to #86471)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

Yes- there has been progress. The 2004 Zalts and Zam's will be manufactured with a new very tough plastic. I have some samples of the new  material - and have been banging them against rocks, dock's, etc. I haven't managed to break one yet.  We also will be introducing a new  lure -> Zalt Tail in two sizes for 2004. The tail is actually molded onto the rear hook, see attached jpg. In addition to the 6.3" (16cm) Zam we are also introducing 3 new sizes in the Zam's.    The new Zam's will be  3.5" (9cm), 4.3" (11cm), and 8.7" (22cm) The new smaller Zam's should be very productive for smallies & walleye's.

During this year's late June Canada trip, we were hammering big walleyes, in fact it was impossible to catch an eater on the 6.3" Zam. My smallest fish for the 7 days was a 22" and the biggest was 31" 11 lb fish and I missed a couple in the 35-36" class. We were having to much fun to even care, so so we feasted on NY strip's, splake and northern pike. Of course I'm looking forward to the new 8.7" Zam for Muskies..  There is also a new 9.8" (25cm) Zalt in the works, hopefully some will be available by the Milw show.

PS- My buddy Rich said this was the "trip of a lifetime", he has been going to Canada regularly over the past 20 years. He and his 17 year old son spent the entire trip together, catching big walleyes & northern pike all on Zam's. Their biggest northern was a 40", which Rich decided to keep. All other fish, including many trophy walleye's were released. + 36 northerns were common as were +27" walleyes. As you can see we were consistantly catching fish in all kinds of weather.

"All Water is Zalt Water"

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com

 



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ToddM
Posted 10/31/2003 8:49 PM (#86590 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: oswego, il
Al those new zalts look great. Two hook attachements too. Did well on zams this year for pike and walleye, had a few musky up on them too. Got a few musky on the zalts and the small silver tiger zalt you gave me the pike love that one too.
fish on
Posted 11/1/2003 8:09 AM (#86605 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




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Al,
Do you know where I can get replacement hooks for the zam? I think they are saltwater hooks? and the size? Thanks.
ESOX Maniac
Posted 11/1/2003 10:46 AM (#86615 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

Toddm- This year has been a bust for me as far as time chasing Muskies is concerned, only 4 day's on the water & 3 muskies-  39.5", 41", 39.5" (release pic above) . All on Zam's. The first two were in May while fishing w/Ranger in the "Yooper", the other was match fishing agaist Ranger on Crow. Wouldn't you know, just as those Crow fish were turning on ~ 5:00PM, we got chased off the lake by major thunder storm.

 Now that I think of it, every fish I've caught since 1997 was  associated with Ranger somehow. That's weird. He netted my 44" at Cass last year (That broke my 5 yr skunk) . But getting time on the water has been a real btich since 1997, work,  work........ Been doing some weekend bank fishing with the grandkid's on the Wisconsin River near here. Have had few nice fish up on Zalt's & Zam's. Lost a really big fish (+50) on a 19cm Zalt Bumblebee-  she hit in about 2' of water, the Zalt flew about 50' on about the third head shake, . Was cool watching the line zip off the water back toward me as the lure flew to the left of where the fish hit- also a bit frustrating.  My 7 yr oldgrandaugher (Jazzy) got her first pike -22" on a 14cm Zalt Bumblebee (see photo)- seems like those WI river fish like them.  Also easy for Jazzy & Xavier throw. (I know not many folks would let 7 & 5 yr old kids toss +$10 lures, maybe I'm just weird).  I always remember her shreik's as she battled that lil 22" , it was the experience of a life time.

Lynn- You can get them through the website, we also have VMC "blood red's". I've been using a few of those on my Zam's & Zalt's- looks good in the water too- My hot lure in Canada was a Zam #33 floating w/ the VMC blood red's.

The hook sizes are: 11cm Zalt - #1 , 14 cm Zalt #1/0, 19 cm Zalt, 1/0  , and the 16cm Zam - 1/0.

I have some of the salt water's that I've removed/replaced w/ blood red's on some new lures, i.e., I haven't made them barbless.  Send me an Email with your address and I'll send you some of those.

If you want the VMC's Blood Red's call Mike Hofmann at the phone number on the website, he'll fix you up w/ any quanity. I think they're ~.25 cents/hook + shipping.

"All Water is Zalt Water"

Al Warner

http://www.zaltnad.com



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Southshore
Posted 11/2/2003 11:10 AM (#86649 - in reply to #72255)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............




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Al
Just wondering what happened to those 4 lures I won in your contest. It is long past May ; when you promised to send them.
Ray Nowak
ESOX Maniac
Posted 11/2/2003 11:36 AM (#86653 - in reply to #86649)
Subject: RE: Zam insurance Alert !.............





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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin

Yes- Ray I remember very well and no one has forgotten you. The 25cm Zalt development was reprioritized, i.e., delayed because of the issue of the strength of the plastic material (the subject of this message thread), the development of the new Zalt Tail and the new Zam's was placed as second priority because they have a potentially larger global market. Personnaly I would have liked the 25cm Zalt to be #1 priority. But those decision's are beyond ZaltNAD's control. As soon we as recieve word on an official release date for the Zalt 25cm (9.8") I will notify you. If that's unacceptable we will happily send you 4 of the 19cm (7.5") Zalt's.

Al Warner

"All Water is Zalt Water"

http://www.zaltnad.com

 

Southshore
Posted 11/2/2003 4:31 PM (#86667 - in reply to #72255)
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Al
Thanks for the quick reply. Whenever you get the baits will be fine.
Ray
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