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| So I missed two big fish the other day due to bad hook sets. I was using a MH 8’ rod, I am gonna upgrade to a heavy or x heavy rod and was wondering if longer rods give more leverage for the hook set? I was looking into a 8’6” heavy or x heavy. Also do rods do ok with lures under their rated weight? Like if I got a 3 1/2-10 oz rod would it throw two ounce baits ok. Would I lose touch with smaller baits? |
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| There are too many variables at play but to answer your question I would say no, longer rods do not mean better hook sets. Generally longer rods are better at keeping fish pinned but I also believe lighter rods (such as the MH rod you were using) are better at keeping fish pinned. And yes, most rods do just fine throwing lures under their rating. A bigger factor may be the hooks you were using when you lost those fish. Personally I like a lighter wire hook like a Mustad 3551 where some guys like the 2X-4X heavy hooks which simply do not penetrate as easily and could be part of your problem. Not to mention if you're hooks were sharpened or not. Something to think about anyways... |
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Location: Waukee, IA | I am a firm believer in long rods hooking fish better. Not every hookset starts with a tight line, some have slack to pick up from action of the retrieve or motion of the boat and a longer rod provides more distance moved at the tip. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What Martin TD said. |
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| It's a lever, with the fish having the advantage. Longer rod will get you more motion at the tip proportionately to the input motion (what you do with your hands & body) compared to a shorter rod, while a shorter rod will impart more force to the fish's face proportionately to the input force (technically a "couple") compared to a longer rod.
So as tkuntz said, the longer rod will pick up slack faster if your hook set doesn't start with a tight line, and I do think a longer rod with a good bend should keep steadier tension in the line than a short rod or a too-stiff rod. |
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| I'd say it's the opposite. You get a "better" hookset with a short stout rod. But IMO you lose some ability to control he fish and keep them pinned. To me the advantage of longer rods is the ability to do nice wide turns in the figure 8 and cast (most) lures with a lot less effort. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | there are force equations that will give you the answer. i know it's hard to argue against, but somehow believe a musky fisherman might find a way to argue physical science. |
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| OP ..Did you have a bad hookset or did the fish not hit the bait “well”? I have not noticed any difference in the hooksets between an 8’ or 9’ rod (I tend to set the hook fairly hard-ha!) ... what bait? Much (not all) of if a fish gets hooked well is on the fish not the angler... keeping them hooked after the first 5 seconds is a different discussion |
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| A little Of both I think. Was just thinking getting a more stout rod would help. Both fish caught me off guard. The first fish hit when I took one hand off the rod for just a second And the second fish I thought I was in the weeds and went to pull it out of what I thought was weeds and the fish was on for maybe two seconds and then came up to the Surface and was gone. Learned a few lessons the hard way. Both fish hit an angry dragon short. I was thinking of getting an 8 foot six heavy or extra heavy rod. It should have more backbone than my 8 foot medium heavy right ? |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Love 9ft rods on hooksets
One thing that is very important on hook sets and I see lots of guys do this, is they stop reeling on the hook set.
I pull up or sideways with the rod and also Reel as fast as I can taking up any slack and setting hooks as deep as they can go. That is why I also like 5:1 gears, more cranking power on hook sets, where as 7:1 or 8:1 you have no cranking power. Then let the rod action keep the hooks in the fishes mouth. That is why I don’t like XXXH rods also.
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Location: Minnesota. | PIKEMASTER - 8/29/2018 9:59 AM
Love 9ft rods on hooksets
One thing that is very important on hook sets and I see lots of guys do this, is they stop reeling on the hook set.
I pull up or sideways with the rod and also Reel as fast as I can taking up any slack and setting hooks as deep as they can go......
This is where I've failed too many times. Slow learner I guess but after 2 really large lost I'll never let it happen again.
Never knew what I was doing wrong and I hit them both HARD! Hmmm....I'm getting too old to lose many more fish!
Thanks PM.
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