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Location: Rochester, MN | What kind of rod holders do you use for trolling? Will the plastic ones hold up? |
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| I have both plastic holders and metal down east. I will only buy and use down east rod holders and feel they are the best on the market. |
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Location: oswego, il | Scotty's. Easy to get the rod in and out and use both hands. No struggling to remove a rod, never had one break. |
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| salty down east period ! plastic is not good specially during the cold month.ive broke one folbes on a bite,it cost me near 500 of lure ,rod n reel and a fish.never again! i have friend that even got one break whit an hard pulling franky bait.have a look at youtube you will see what im talking about. |
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| I had the plastic Scotty's on my boat, but when I started to get into trolling late last year, I realized those suckers weren't going to cut it (way too much flex). I then converted over to the Fat AZ holders and they worked great for me.
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| Down east for sure.
Had 2 scottys snap, Fish on snap and another plastic brand I forgot break also.
Been using Down east holders for 19 years never had any issue.
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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| Lucky Craft Man - 3/12/2018 11:35 PM
I had the plastic Scotty's on my boat, but when I started to get into trolling late last year, I realized those suckers weren't going to cut it (way too much flex). I then converted over to the Fat AZ holders and they worked great for me.
Why not just put the down easters on the rail without the 70$ fat az machined part? You can still rotate it on the rail. |
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Location: Vilas County, WI | I use the black resin Folbe's; haven't had an issue yet. I like their ease of use.
I started with Down East holders based on recommendations here. But I don't have a rail system so I had to buy mounts. I didn't like that set up and how my trolling rod/reels sat in the clamp/holder. Sold them and went with Folbe. No regrets so far.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Ive got rail mounted Down Easters, but would not hesitate to try Folbes. |
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| Muskie Gal - 3/13/2018 1:58 AM
Lucky Craft Man - 3/12/2018 11:35 PM
I had the plastic Scotty's on my boat, but when I started to get into trolling late last year, I realized those suckers weren't going to cut it (way too much flex). I then converted over to the Fat AZ holders and they worked great for me.
Why not just put the down easters on the rail without the 70$ fat az machined part? You can still rotate it on the rail.
Interesting you should bring that up. I actually started with a pair Down Easters directly on the rails. To tip the rod holders up and down, it would rotate as a whole on my rails as you mentioned. I don’t know if my rails are slightly egg shaped or what, but when I would rotate them on the rails it would hold well in one position, but be loose in another. Also, they would seem to migrate along the rail and not stay put. Not to mention, the one scratched the **** out of my rail, which I didn’t like. To what I thought was solving the problem, I cinched down that base and figured I would just loosen that wing nut and pitched the head. Well, that lasted two seconds and I went on the hunt for a much better solution.
I came across the Fat AZ products after searching on-line and I liked how the base was static and the down east head (which I like how they work) would easily rotate, but hold. I also liked how I could set the base with the extension arms at any position, which could move the rod holder head out further from the boat (good option for the down rods). Plus, they had a hearty tube rod holder option, which is perfect for board rods and I can easily pitch those as well.
You mentioned the extra money they cost. With the extra features and security they offer, to me that extra cost was way worth it. I was just at a Musky Show where baits were being sold for $120+, so to invest a little more for premium rod holders seems to be pretty prudent when your rod, reel, line and $120 baits are contingent on that rod holder to be secure.
Long story short, some people like to drive a base model Kia and others like the Cadillac with extra options. To each their own.
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| Lucky Craft Man. Those Fat AZ mounts are great and though i suspect it was quite obvious and self explanatory to most your choosing them esp with the accompanying photo it was a really nice thing that you went into such detail and explaining everything out ! I would certainly not of had the patience for first rung education, well done you ! |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Scotty and a rod leash. I don't put enough hours in trolling to make the expensive rod holders worth my dime. Never had one break, I'm sure it's possible, just extremely unlikely |
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Location: oswego, il | I put alot of hours on my scotty rod holders, never an issue. Salmon and musky. I enjoyed a recent musky show that featured a prominent guide having an issue gettimg the rod out of a down easter. They have cost me fish on suckers and trolling. No thanks. |
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| toddm it's just about practice and a lil bit of power,you have to pull your rod up and away from the fish at the same time.if my girl friend can use one you can.but anyway it look like you like yours that's the only thing that Matter |
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Location: Aurora | ToddM - 3/13/2018 3:12 PM
I put alot of hours on my scotty rod holders, never an issue. Salmon and musky. I enjoyed a recent musky show that featured a prominent guide having an issue gettimg the rod out of a down easter. They have cost me fish on suckers and trolling. No thanks.
Prominent guide??.. I get the feeling they jest got their learner's permit sometimes but that's the main reason i watch! Kidding aside, all of the above work when used appropriately considering boat make, model & style and set up outcome desired. It's a Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Hyundai, Isuzu, Nissan, Jeep, etc thing in my opinion. |
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Location: Honor, MI | I have used Scotty's for many years pulling Plows, giant Believers, etc. and have hooked and landed several fish over 50". To avoid these big baits from wearing
out the socket I align the holder where I want it and drill a hole through the base and holder pin and run a cotter key all the way through both sides and secure it. Works for
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| I have seen every kind break but Folbe. I've heard of people breaking a Folbe but never seen any evidence and everyone I know that is serious about trolling runs Folbe. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I have Bert's tracks and use Downeasters for down rods and Bert's rocket launchers for boards. I also have a couple of Scotties that are seldom used. I have seen both Downeasters and Scotties fail good argument for using leashes which I don't. |
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| Cisco Systems tracks and rod holder accessories. Really nice guality stuff. It even adapts to rod holders you already might own like Down Easter’s. I run 2 Down Easter’s and 2 Cisco’s. They’ve performed well the last few years. |
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| Cisco small Cradles with chicken rings. Infant adjustments horizontaly and verticaly and no chance of failure. These holders will last several life times. |
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Location: Perrysburg Ohio | I troll, A LOT. I have been through several different rod holders for trolling. I started with plastic. Big Mistake! It only took one mid 40 fish for me to understand that a muskie hitting a lure that is already travelling 4-5 mph that is attached to an 8 ft rod pointing sideways that is secured to a boat by a 5/8" dia plastic pin was not going to hold up. I lost the fish, the lure, the rod and the reel.
So I upgrade to the Down East S-17. I figure it is metal and won't break. I buy 4 of these and screw them down to the gunnel. They had a good tendency to catch the net a lot and generally in the way at times. So I add on Traxstech rails covering the holes in the gunney. Great, now I can remove them when not needed.
I start fishing larger bodies like LSC, buy a larger boat and developed the need for more rod holders for various reasons. So I add on the Traxstech stands to raise the Down Easters to get over the wide gunnels. After time I have had several Down Easters break on the S-17 mount. Right on the base on the part that flips down when the bolt is removed. One took another rod and reel. I still like the Down Easters but something has to change again.
I met up with a man named Terry Chaput in Ontario who is working on a redesigned base for Down Easters. Billet aluminum and even if the bolt is removed the rod and holder is captured. So I shell out a bunch more money for his bases and I have trolled happily ever after.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Lets clear up one thing Scottys are NOT PLASTIC they are made from fibre reinforced engineering grade nylon. |
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Location: Perrysburg Ohio | I troll, A LOT. I have been through several different rod holders for trolling. I started with plastic. Big Mistake! It only took one mid 40 fish for me to understand that a muskie hitting a lure that is already travelling 4-5 mph that is attached to an 8 ft rod pointing sideways that is secured to a boat by a 5/8" dia plastic pin was not going to hold up. I lost the fish, the lure, the rod and the reel.
So I upgrade to the Down East S-17. I figure it is metal and won't break. I buy 4 of these and screw them down to the gunnel. They had a good tendency to catch the net a lot and generally in the way at times. So I add on Traxstech rails covering the holes in the gunney. Great, now I can remove them when not needed.
I start fishing larger bodies like LSC, buy a larger boat and developed the need for more rod holders for various reasons. So I add on the Traxstech stands to raise the Down Easters to get over the wide gunnels. After time I have had several Down Easters break on the S-17 mount. Right on the base on the part that flips down when the bolt is removed. One took another rod and reel. I still like the Down Easters but something has to change again.
I met up with a man named Terry Chaput in Ontario who is working on a redesigned base for Down Easters. Billet aluminum and even if the bolt is removed the rod and holder is captured. So I shell out a bunch more money for his bases and I have trolled happily ever after.
The End.
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| Scotty's have been just fine for me, but I don't think it would matter much what brand, as my drag will give way before any of them should break. I don't have a super loose drag, about in the middle. Even with a big lure at 5 plus MPH and a big fish hitting it, there just can't be that much stress on any rod holder unless you have your drag snugged down pretty tight. |
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| Rod holders are like cigarettes in the 70's and 80's. Everyone had their favorite and can't believe someone would use another brand. |
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| S-17 rod holders are supposed to be installed so that the "flip down" side faces the front of the boat. This allows the "weaker" pin part of the mount to be positioned away from the maximum stress point when the fish or bottom hits the bait. The maximum pressure is placed on the solid cast side of the mount when installed this way. I wonder if some failed because of an installation mistake or just metal fatigue? I know that the clamps on the S-10s will start to expand if they are over tightened over time. |
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