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Location: Minnesota. | So, after missing two REALLY large fish this season, one on a bucktail and another on a Suick Thriller I've decided to try 7/0 trebs. on my bucktails from now on....
My hooks were dusted off and "sticky" on the bucktail. On the Suick they were sticky-sharp Gamkatsu's size 5/0.
Anyone think it'll help or hinder my catching?
I have followed another topic that talked about missed fish and something I failed to do was to continue reeling even though I had plenty of rod-pressure on the fish. That'll never happen again!! Trust me, one of those fish was close to 56"!
Anyways, any helpful info/opinions are welcome.
Sometimes I wonder why I keep trying for these fish! I hope continued reeling after the hit will help next time but until then I swapped out all my hooks on the bucktails for 7/0!
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| changing from a high quality 3/0 or 5/0 on bucktails. to a sharp 7/0 - I'm guessing you'll be amazed!!!....your catch rate is going to stay almost identical .... some get off  |
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| Also keep n mind that the bigger the hook, the thicker they are too which also makes it harder to get penetration on the hook set. |
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| I prefer 7/0 on bucktails but yes you may need to set the hook a bit harder and if it's just nipped at that causes you to pull the hooks out. I wouldn't stray from factory size on a suik but maybe a wider bend on a shorter shank? |
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Location: Contrarian Island | guess I'll disagree, I'd much rather have a 7/0 than a 3/0 on the back of a bucktail when a 50 hits it... personally I believe I will catch more with that hook versus a 3/0. Justin put 3/0s on all your baits and see if your catch rate stays the same. Report back to us in a year. 
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| owner st36 are as wide as 7/0 3551 and you can use them right out of the boxe ,be careful it bite,it's ridiculously sharp |
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Location: SE, WI. | Jeremy; you may want to address the action of your Rod, Not necesarily the size of your hooks. Put your lure in a vise, attached to your rod....Now set the hook....exactly....you can't move the lure. Same thing with Mr Musky!!!! His jaws are like a vise....you can't move the hooks, the hook penetration comes when he opens up to throw the bait....the bend in the rod moves the hooks into his skin/ jaws. The rod being bent is what sets the hook. Personally, I prefer a smaller Ott hook in back, especially on bucktails, because so many nip at the back end. I may prefer the 7/0, on a DCG's under the blades, not back end. JD |
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| BNelson - 8/18/2017 8:17 AM
guess I'll disagree, I'd much rather have a 7/0 than a 3/0 on the back of a bucktail when a 50 hits it... personally I believe I will catch more with that hook versus a 3/0. Justin put 3/0s on all your baits and see if your catch rate stays the same. Report back to us in a year.
Best hooking bait I've ever used for muskies is a #14 husky jerk with lots of pauses in the spring, muskie touches one of those three tiny hooks and they never seam to get off, even 50" ers.. your hooks need to match your bait ... A high quality 3/0 (like gamkatsu's) are plenty big for a 60" muskie on a small bucktail. Musky marabou's have always been a great hooking bait for me, I wouldn't see a reason to change that hook to a 7/0?. I'm not saying put 3/0's on a supermodel's either.. but there are downsides to monster hooks... and some benefits too, the large gap might help you if a big fish eats the bait "weird" , beak hooked for example.... but it can hurt you too fish eating at the end of a bomb cast its harder to drive 7/0's in. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | yes, of course, match the hook to the bait. but that isn't really what your original post said... 3/0s are pretty small on a mega barfighter... of course all hooks work, but I'm not about to put 3/0s on all my baits either... at times we are dealing with fractions of inches when a fish hits, a 3/0 might be fine in some cases, and others a 7/0 is what is required ... the difference in force needed to put a 3/0 into a fish vs a 7/0 is minimal at best. |
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| My original post is saying why take 5/0's or 3/0's off from the manufacture and put on 7/0's ? At least that's what I was trying to say... |
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Location: Minnesota. | Thanks for the jabber so far folks. It's good to hear what guys say and feel from their own experiences. I agree that with a smaller hook you get that sharp "stick" when you lean into her and the larger irons are going to affect you as mentioned.
JD you bring up a really good point and one I've discussed with the guys at Thorne Bros more than once. I've often figured these fish hammer a bait w/a hard chomp and you likely aren't going to move a bait as much as you'd think you would. This happened on that fish that hit my wooden Suick. She was a biggie!! Did she bite so hard that her teeth failed to get the bait to move as opposed to maybe a plastic Thriller?? Dunno and I'm sure a miriad of factors come into play not just how hard I set-up.
I guess I'm the same camp as you are in that my bait needs to move and get a set that way but I'm telling you my hooks were sticky sharp - especially the Gamakatsu's - and I had plenty of pressure going....I think...:)
I don't know. I'll weigh in likely next season when I have more time to find out. Frustration got me to ask, obviously so I'll weigh back in next summer. Somehow though I'm feeling this is going to end up with another "they're muskies!!!" finale'.
Thanks all... |
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Location: SE, WI. | Jeremy; I get it! When using a jerk bait like a suick....stiff pool Q style rods are ideal for presentation. I've lost a few fish on stiff jerk bait style rods. ONE reason why I rarely use a jerk bait any more. My suggestion would be to consider a more limber rod, maybe like a big nasty that has some load, or maybe something not as stiff in the tip. With these high speed reels today, Heck, you really don't need to jerk any more....just turn reel handle quickly. JD |
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| My suik rod is 8.5' heavy, almost all my other rods are xh or stiffer. It casts better and loads up better on suiks. Sometimes you loose fish... |
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