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| What can people tell me about Headlock Lures. I'm a novice and wonder what makes them so expensive. Is it marketing or do they do something that other baits can't do? How do you guys present them? Anybody using them specifically for Pike or is it a Muskie only lure?
Any info is appreciated!
Edited by Brian Hoffies 6/25/2017 10:08 AM
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| you pay for all the hard time of testing for a very innovative lure ,and it's make out of wood.even if i don't have any because im not in love with aluminum lip im sure they worth the investment vs the others with the exact same diving bill design |
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| In my experience its all a gimmick, hustle, gambit, bamboozle, whatever you wanna call it but more over than anything its a waste of money ... Now don't get me wrong they are all wood and well made but there are a TON of other bait makers out there who make their lures to withstand a howitzer round at a fraction of the price of the Headlocks. They are rather large baits as well but they can't tell me that its 80 bucks worth of material.
I'll take my 80 and buy a my local lure makers stuff any day of the week. That being said - Crane and Tuff Shads are made near me so I'm kind of cheating lol |
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| supertrollr - 6/25/2017 11:15 AM
you pay for all the hard time of testing for a very innovative lure ,and it's make out of wood.even if i don't have any because im not in love with aluminum lip im sure they worth the investment vs the others with the exact same diving bill design
So is the alum lip just added durability for banging into rocks? Also you called it innovative.....what does it do to make it innovative? Is there a action that others don't have? What speed do you guys pull these at?
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Location: Minnesota | I have a few these baits will walk side to side 4feet when others only go a few inches side to side there well made great paint jobs . Are they worth 80 bucks I say yes. I would buy 3 of those for the price of a barfighter . |
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| Thanks!
Anybody else have experience with the Headlocks? |
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Location: deephaven mn | not $80 worth of material but what is the cost of labor? what is the hourly rate you should be paid ? |
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| kap - 6/25/2017 7:50 PM
not $80 worth of material but what is the cost of labor? what is the hourly rate you should be paid ?
Cost of labor shouldn't be different then the other manufactures unless it's a union shop I guess.
Really more interested in performance and why people use them then the cost. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I don't have one (yet) but I've seen the run and the walk on it is insane. That's what made the difference for me. It wasn't just "a lucky bait" where you need to buy 12 to get one that walks. Every single headlock has a walk to it. Is that worth paying for? Well I think it's a cool feature that not many other baits have. But you could always just add on a few more dollars and get a talonz |
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | Headlocks and Mattlocks are great baits. Made by Duff and his guys out of a woodworking studio in St. Paul MN. They're hand cut wood blanks that then get multiple coats of True Coat, glitter, paint, and Duff's cotter pin aluminum lip system that all combine to produce some of the hottest trolling lures our industry has ever known. As we speak, just this last weekend I heard reports of multiple big fish being caught on them open water trolling up on Vermilion. Are they a bit more expensive than other 10 and 12" cranks? Sure. But you vote with your wallet, if you think there's better alternatives that is fine. I myself know what goes into making these lures. I know the guys who make them. I see Super Natural Big Baits supporting several Muskies Inc. chapter's tournaments and other initiatives. I know the guides who troll them, and I've seen the results. I have no problem supporting Super Natural Big Baits, I have several and I'm sure I'll get a couple more in the near future.
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Location: Waukee, IA | They're built to last, have a great "walk" or "wander" action when trolled, and they have good paint/top coat. Having been said, they're no magic bullet, just another valuable tool in the war against getting skunked. |
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| Thanks guys, good stuff. What speed do you like to run them at? |
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Location: Elk River, MN | Brian Hoffies - 6/26/2017 9:34 AM
Thanks guys, good stuff. What speed do you like to run them at?
3-6mph depending on time of year.
3.5 is a good speed to start with though |
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| Cloud7 - 6/26/2017 9:17 AM
Headlocks and Mattlocks are great baits. Made by Duff and his guys out of a woodworking studio in St. Paul MN. They're hand cut wood blanks that then get multiple coats of True Coat, glitter, paint, and Duff's cotter pin aluminum lip system that all combine to produce some of the hottest trolling lures our industry has ever known. As we speak, just this last weekend I heard reports of multiple big fish being caught on them open water trolling up on Vermilion. Are they a bit more expensive than other 10 and 12" cranks? Sure. But you vote with your wallet, if you think there's better alternatives that is fine. I myself know what goes into making these lures. I know the guys who make them. I see Super Natural Big Baits supporting several Muskies Inc. chapter's tournaments and other initiatives. I know the guides who troll them, and I've seen the results. I have no problem supporting Super Natural Big Baits, I have several and I'm sure I'll get a couple more in the near future.
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Thank you. What depth are these baits running at? To be honest I'm more interested in running these for Pike then Muskie. In Namakin there is a deep bay (70+ feet) loaded with Whitefish. I'm looking for a good crankbait to troll for the large Pike feeding on those Whitefish. From what I'm reading here the action of the Headlock might be something that would work? I don't know. Looking for any input from the guys who troll for big fish.
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | If you go to supernaturalbigbaits.com and check out the FAQS section on the website they give you a breakdown for their dive curve. But essentially it breaks down to Shallow Setting: 1 foot down for every 3 feet of line out, Mid Setting: 1 for every 3 feet + 4 feet, and Deep Setting 1 for every 3 feet +8 feet.
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| I don't troll Headlocks much anymore because I have found they need speed in order to get the wandering action going, and over the years have found slow trolling to put bigger fish in the boat, so I troll mainly 12" Mattlocks and Liplocks....when I can get my hands on them. If you are planning on running your baits deep into the bait I would highly suggest looking at 10" Slammer Deep Shads. My reasoning is when you go to the deep setting on Supernatural baits the wandering action tightens up quite a bit and you really loose the action that most guys buy them for in the first place. The Slammer can get down to 26-28' when trolled on wire line and it may not "wander" like a Supernatural but it's action is definitely aggressive. You don't usually need to get your bait that deep but it's nice to have the option. |
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| NOT A GIMMICK! Awesome baits! I have caught many fish on them and know others with the same results. The pin/lip combo allows the bait to "wander" side to side. This is a big trigger for fish since most crank baits are not nearly as erratic in the water. Buy one(or a couple).
I have found the "shallow" setting(pin closest to the end of the lip) to be the most erratic.
Summer 3.8 to 4.5 mph
Fall slow, I go as slow as my big motor will troll down to which is usually around 2 mph
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| These baits are also an investment. I have never had a problem with the baits I own but I have been assured that if anything ever happens to them he will stand behind his work. |
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| yeah it will be a good investment if he stop making them,but for ow i hope you don't use that method when you invest your money,you will be poor very quick i guarantee  |
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| LOL, I say it's an investment in musky fishing to make myself feel better. They do work though, a friend and I have put 10 in the boat so far this year on them. |
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| Great baits. To me worth the money for sure. Very well made. I finally started really using them this last weekend. They out fished my favorite jake 4 to 2 which was impressive since i think i have caught over 30 fish on that one jake. I will most likely buy some more in the smaller size. Action wise the closest thing i can compare them to is a Believer. These things put off a great flash though and love the wander. |
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