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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | *please keep the physical wear and tear out of this*
I have one rod that is 8'9" H with a NACL and it is a good multi purpose rod. I don't like having 5 rods in my boat so I'm going to have the one I just mentioned and I then want to have a 10' rod strictly for casting bucktails a country mile and then retrieving them at Mach 7. I have no doubt that the tranx 500 HG is the best option for that. But I was wondering how the tranx 500 cast smaller bucktails like a baby cowgirl (probably the lightest I will throw). Would I be better off with the NACL on the bucktail rod because of its capability to throw smaller lures? It still retrieves them at a good speed but I'd like to see vapor trails behind my lures. So, my question out of all this is can the tranx 500 throw small bucktails effectivel or would the NACL be better? Distance is probaly the most important so I wouldn't mind giving up a little speed for distance. Thanks! |
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| If you want to burn something as fast i get the impression of ,you need something with a higher IPT then the NACL, I would go with the tranx 300 or 400 HG, if you are staying with double 8s or smaller, Otherwise i would go with the tranx 500HG.
Used my 500HG several times for spinnerbait and DC7en, does the job great, if speed is the no 1 objective, however my 300D and 300tranx casts better with the light stuff.
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Location: Minnesota | I have not used my tranx on baby cow girls but work just fine on double showgirls. If size don't bother you the 500 tranx HG is king when it comes to speed |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | First off
I would never cast any bait out as long as I could !! You have no Hook Setting Power when your bait is out over 20 yards !!! Muskies like Speed but not all the time !!
The 500 Tranx HG is a Fast reel for all sizes of Bucktails
On smaller Bucktails use a softer tip Rod for longer casts.
I use my Tranx PG 95 % of the time, use the HG only when the Muskies Want it fast.
Hope that helps |
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| Revo Rocket burn bucktails but I couldnt burn 10s all day on it pull too hard smaller 8s and under no prob |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Thanks for everybody's input. Pikemaster had a good point about effective hook sets. And muskyhunter47, if you are able to throw double showgirls on the 500 I'm not concerned at all because I'm about 98% sure that the baby girls are heavier than those. Anything smaller than 1.5 oz gets thrown on a bass rod anyway. I mostly want the capability to throw the baby girls only if the situation calls for it. Other than those situations 90% of the bucktails I throw will be between 2.5oz and 6oz. And when I'm throwing double 10s and up, I don't expect to be casting them for more than 3 hours max.
Here's a fun question I've never heard discussed before (hopefully it's because it's never happened). Anybody ever burn out a tranx 500? Lol. |
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| I have never felt that my hooking % went down, when fish hits far out in a long cast.
With 8-9 foot rods, and zero stretch 80-100lb braid, i would never be worried about that.
However with a wimpy rod and mono, i would agree. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Just a thought: I've talked to a number of reel fix it guys and they LOVE IT when we throw big blades with high speed reels other than a tranx. Gives them a lot of business. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Zinox - 3/29/2017 11:25 AM
I have never felt that my hooking % went down, when fish hits far out in a long cast.
With 8-9 foot rods, and zero stretch 80-100lb braid, i would never be worried about that.
However with a wimpy rod and mono, i would agree.
Now you've got a good point lol. I think it has more to do with the rod length when using no stretch braid. If you're using a 9 foot rod and make a upward hook set you are moving a lot of line a great distance where if you were using a 6 footer you wouldn't be doing much more than moving the line above your head. And especially with bucktails, where you always have tension on the line the hook set is going to be 100%. But if you're using a jerkbait or some other type of lure that doesn't allow you to always have tension on the line your hook set may only be 85% of the power it could be. Hopefully that made sense. |
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Location: 31 | If you want to make longer casts why not just add a little weight to the bait and stay with the Tranx, it's not like it's going to affect the depth if you're leaving a vapor trail... might be able to retrieve it even faster. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Slamr - 3/29/2017 11:56 AM
Just a thought: I've talked to a number of reel fix it guys and they LOVE IT when we throw big blades with high speed reels other than a tranx. Gives them a lot of business.
That's good to hear. I don't want to spend $500 on a reel that will burn out in 3 years. If it can handle 100 yard runs from tuna I would hope it can handle me retrieving a double 10 at the speed of light lol. |
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Location: MN | Using a bass rod to toss small/light baits for Muskie isn't the best idea. When a big peeed off Muskie eats, getting a good hook set and keeping them pinned is much more difficult with a bass rod. If your goal is to get the fish to the net use a Muskie rod. My buddy learned that lesson the hard way and lost a couple giant Muskies using a bass rod. I can throw very light baits with a 9 foot xh.
500 HG is the reel for burning. It is probably the most discussed topic on this forum so do a search for more info. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Nershi - 3/29/2017 12:42 PM
Using a bass rod to toss small/light baits for Muskie isn't the best idea. When a big peeed off Muskie eats, getting a good hook set and keeping them pinned is much more difficult with a bass rod. If your goal is to get the fish to the net use a Muskie rod. My buddy learned that lesson the hard way and lost a couple giant Muskies using a bass rod. I can throw very light baits with a 9 foot xh.
500 HG is the reel for burning. It is probably the most discussed topic on this forum so do a search for more info.
I would disagree with that. There are some flipping sticks that rival MH muskie rods. If a flipping stick can drive a #6 heavy cover hook into a bass and then pull it out of thick Lilly pads I would think it would be plenty to get hooks into a muskie and control it. I don't see much difference between a MH muskie rod and a flipping stick so for me it was just easier to use the flipping stick so is don't have to spend money on a setup I'm only going to use 5% of the time. |
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| Im with Mr. Mo16 i use a LT bass swimmbait rod, for small stuff, and never felt underpowered, (biggest fish on it is like a 43 incher).
I can't brutal force the fish in, the same way as my 50oz Musky invonations rod with a tranx 500 and 100LB braid. |
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| I agree with the two posts above. In fact, in rivers I use three or four flipping'/pitchin' rods during the early season. They actually have more real power than some (but not most) of the musky rods out there. I've haven't yet found a disadvantage when using them with correctly sized baits. |
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Location: MN | The bigger the fish, the harder their mouth and the more important the proper rod is. There are some 'musky' rods that I think are too light to fish on big fish water. When you have a 50+ crush boat side you may be wishing you had a more powerful rod to drive the hooks home and keep it pinned.
If you learn how to throw small baits with your normal setup you don't need to buy one just for tossing small baits. I toss small baits with my 9 ft TI XH and I can bomb them out there. It just takes a slightly different technique.
But that is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinion's. I just thought I would share my thoughts and possibly save you a heartbreaker that I have seen others go through with underpowered rods. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Here's a little add on question. What size/lb line should I be using on it? I'll be using masterbraid if it matters. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Slamr - 3/29/2017 11:56 AM
Just a thought: I've talked to a number of reel fix it guys and they LOVE IT when we throw big blades with high speed reels other than a tranx. Gives them a lot of business.
Yes 100 % Right !!!!!
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Location: Minnesota | How will the 401 tranx hold up for big blades |
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Location: Madison, WI | Time will tell, Im optimistic though!
The handle on the 400HG offers loads of torque but just because it isnt hard on you doesnt mean it isnt hard on the reel. I plan on throwing a lot of blades with the 400HG this season so we'll see how it holds up
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| I agree with others that say they dont need bass gear to throw small stuff...i throw 3/4oz rattle traps on my 9 foot 6-16oz rod no problem and they fly a country mile. |
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| No one said they NEED bass gear for light stuff. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Zinox - 3/30/2017 11:40 AM
No one said they NEED bass gear for light stuff.
Bingo |
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