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| Hey all,
Took Netgurl for a couple of guided days on Lake St. Clair on 7/12-13. It was our first time out there and it was definitely an experience.
Water Conditions:
Temps 70-84F (84 at the Ramp.. 70-73 everywhere else)
Water is crazy blue with cabbage tops visible in most of the areas we fished.
Weather was clear with no clouds for most of the first day and a half and in the 90's.
Personal note,
This is a very interesting lake with lots of awesome weeds/breaks/drop-offs with things that us Hoosiers found interesting to look at including military aircraft taking off and landing as well as large ships and a twin masted sailing ship. Just seeing and fishing reeds was cool. Don't see much of that type of structure in the Webster area. The fact it is a more diverse fishery than we are used to was also cool. Netgurl got her PB walleye on a Sidewinder Glide bait.
Fishing:
The first day and a half was tough. Hot, Windy and no clouds. Couple of small pike and small follows with our guide sticking a decent 45" Muskie in the Morning of the first day and nothing after that. Second day we fished until lunchtime with one 14" pike to show for 5 hours of casting. We were getting discouraged to say the least and our guide said it was the worst two days of fishing he's ever had on St. Clair. We went back out around 3:30 and motored out of Anchor bay.
A thunderstorm was on the horizon that we were keeping an eye on and all of a sudden, Netgurl sticks a beaut of a 37". In the bag. That was like ringing the dinner bell for some reason. Next hour was the type of fishing we all dream of. Two more in the bag, 37.5" and 44", multiple follows, boatside strikes, three other fish on and lost. They were grabbing baits by swirling up to the surface and striking back down, it was crazy. Then it turned off again. The weather went south and we called it a night.
Definitely a fun trip, doubt we will be able to get out there again anytime soon (Our boat is a little marginal for what we saw..) but it was certainly worth the trip. I will say it gets rough with the winds out there so be careful if you are planning a trip.
Netgurl wanted me to add that Lampreys are "Gross" and "Disgusting" little creatures.
RandalB
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Location: Lake St Clair | Awesome lake huh
I love it |
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| glad you had fun in our backyard. |
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Location: Detroit River | Nice going for your first trip. Those hot, bright sunny & calm days on LSC are brutal.
Who was your guide? I only know of 1 or 2 guides that would be fishing Anchor Bay in July as the rest are all fishing the main lake.
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| It was a great time,
Always a treat to try new waters.
Zib,
The Indiana Musky Alliance is/was doing an outing there this past week and a guy had a couple of days open. He's been fishing LSC for 10 years apparently. He was talking trolling, but we prefer to cast and I wanted to learn spots so he ran us out to some of the ones he's had luck on in the past.
I'm thinking about a couple of days with my son in September so I may hit you guys up for a guide recommendation...
RandalB
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Location: Detroit River | RandalB - 7/17/2016 12:39 PM
It was a great time,
Always a treat to try new waters.
Zib,
It was Chae Dolsen from Webster Lake Guide service. The Indiana Musky Alliance is/was doing an outing there this past week and he had a couple of days open. He's been fishing LSC for 10 years apparently. He was talking trolling, but we prefer to cast and I wanted to learn spots so he ran us out to some of the ones he's had luck on in the past.
I'm thinking about a couple of days with my son in September so I may hit you guys up for a guide recommendation...
RandalB
That explains why you were fishing in Anchor Bay instead of the main lake.
As far as guide recommendations go I always recommend that people go with a guide that is FULLY LEGAL! If fishing in September then the Ontario side of the lake is where you should be fishing. Ontario is really cracking down on guides this year & are making sure US guides have work permits & if caught without them they will confiscate their boat on the spot.
If your guide doesn't have an updated sticker (also one for Ontario if fishing in their waters) like this in their boat then the are NOT FULLY LEGAL.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/zibjones/DNR%20Inspection_zps...
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Location: FIB land | LSC guide - hands down Hulbert for casting |
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| work permits are required for canadien waters. don't end up in the bucket for not being legal. |
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| No real interest in the Canada end of things until I get out to a lodge in Northern Ontario, Eagle, LOTW or Rowan. So no problems there. Don't want to deal with the passport hassle until I have a dream trip planned.
As far as a guide goes, His boat, Equipment, etc. Not my problem if he has to produce a license and isn't legal. I do remember something like that picture tho.
Appreciate the info guys, always good to know these things.
I'll start a separate thread for guide recommendations if I can get time off in September.
Thanks Again,
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | On a bright note, I certainly don't think this fishing report will result in anyone rushing to book LSC dates with Webster Lake " or maybe not" Guide Service.......
Edited by Musky Brian 7/18/2016 8:22 AM
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| Zib,
Nice name calling there pal, You convince people to your side of things that way often?
Not real impressed with you or your opinion at this point, so why not take it to a thread of your own? You gave me something to think about originally, but your credibility is now zero with me.
Just wanted to let everyone know about the good time I had on LSC with my Daughter. Who the guide was or if he's legal or not is not part of this thread and neither is "Legal" vs. "Illegal" guiding. It's not my concern anymore, trip's over. Will I book again? Maybe, Maybe not. Maybe I'll just be fishing with a pal who guides in Indiana. Maybe I was just fishing with a pal who happens to be a guide elsewhere. Someone else wants to discuss guiding? Start a thread and I'll read it. I read most of them here.
Also,
Since LSC is probably off the books for this year, I'll be happy to share all the GPS coordinates, lure choices and spots in general with anyone interested, feel free to PM.
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Location: Detroit River | RandalB - 7/18/2016 1:44 PM
Zib,
Nice name calling there pal, You convince people to your side of things that way often?
Not real impressed with you or your opinion at this point, so why not take it to a thread of your own? You gave me something to think about originally, but your credibility is now zero with me.
Just wanted to let everyone know about the good time I had on LSC with my Daughter. Who the guide was or if he's legal or not is not part of this thread and neither is "Legal" vs. "Illegal" guiding. It's not my concern anymore, trip's over. Will I book again? Maybe, Maybe not. Maybe I'll just be fishing with a pal who guides in Indiana. Maybe I was just fishing with a pal who happens to be a guide elsewhere. Someone else wants to discuss guiding? Start a thread and I'll read it. I read most of them here.
RandalB
Just look'n out for people hiring guides on LSC. It would be a shame for someone to pay out money for the guide plus lodging, food gas, burning vacation days etc. only to have that ruined by a guide that doesn't play by the rules.
If you read all the posts like you say you do then you should have seen the numerous threads about LSC guides with myself & others stating to "make sure your guide is legal".
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| That's all you had to say man,
Certainly something I wasn't aware of and something I'll check further into before I hire anyone in the future.
Thanks,
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Location: oswego, il | Funny you need a captains license on the fox chain too. Gosh I feels sorry for all those people who hired guides pre 2005 or so. Survival rates must have been pretty low. I mean seriously, you need to know how to operate a defibrillator to be a guide! |
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Location: Detroit River | ToddM - 7/18/2016 8:56 PM
Funny you need a captains license on the fox chain too. Gosh I feels sorry for all those people who hired guides pre 2005 or so. Survival rates must have been pretty low. I mean seriously, you need to know how to operate a defibrillator to be a guide!
Most likely wouldn't matter if they could operate it or not because the portable defibrillators that most places have on hand aren't charged on a regular basis & end up not working when needed. One of my best friends life could have been saved had the hotel convention we were at hadn't had an uncharged defibrillator.
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Location: oswego, il | Sorry to hear about your friend. My point to was guides didn't need a captains license for decades prior and now people get all.worked up about it. I know people who took the class and will never need any of it to be a good guide. Many great guides in the fishing hall of fame who never had a captains license. |
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| Interesting comment, Todd, about guides not needing a captains licence to be a good guide. Let me ask you, do you get a fishing licence for the states you fish? If so why. I'm thinking its because it required, right. Kinda like the fact that a captains licence is required to guide on LSC. I guess Brian Schram can speak more on this. |
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| guys I'm in canada. theres rules on BOTH sides of the borders.. usa has a set and Canada. some guides work in canadien water with a work permit,call immigration and follow the rules required. others skirt the system on both sides of the border. before booking its buyer beware. ask your guide for credentials.most would be very happy to show their accomplishments..with the new era of border crossings, licensing. theres some pretty excellent guides/charter operaters out there.as for illegal operaters I leave it up to the government officials to sort this issue out. we pay them. let them do their job. |
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Location: oswego, il | Juhas, yes I have a fishing license. Apples and oranges. License money funds what we love to do, a captains license does what? I get that it is the law but the most important part of being given a guide is not taught, comment sense. The fact that guides didn't need one for many many decades is very telling.
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Location: Detroit River | ToddM - 7/19/2016 10:42 AM
Sorry to hear about your friend. My point to was guides didn't need a captains license for decades prior and now people get all.worked up about it. I know people who took the class and will never need any of it to be a good guide. Many great guides in the fishing hall of fame who never had a captains license.
Ya it doesn't take a captains license, CPR certified, DNR inspection, insurance for being a charter operator etc. to be a good guide but any reputable guide should have what is required for the waters they are operating on. Most of the requirements are just so that the government can make a buck. Some of the requirements are there to protect the consumer, which is a good thing. Would you want to be driving in a car with a friend that had a suspended license & no insurance due to a DUI? I sure wouldn't.
I found it funny that one of the fishing show filmed a musky show on LSC (actually multiple shows) with an illegal guide. They went so far as to mention that the guy was a guide & also included contact info in one of the episodes. That same guide later had his boat confiscated by the DNR (actually it wasn't even his boat) for illegally guiding. Since that happened the guy no longer appears on the show & others washed their hands of him. |
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