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| I bought an hb1159 last fall and am now thinking of adding a Helix 9. My Google searches have failed me and the salespeople at the box stores all give different answers. The helix allows for a small sample without buying the zero line card and the 1159 does not. (Actually I think you can collect data onto a blank sd card on the 1159 but can't compile it?) Would the same zero line card work in both units? Which one is better? Is live less powerful or newer and better? If I team up with another boat on large Canadian waters can we share and copy each others charts? <- legacy series only or helix as well? Really wish humminbird was going to be at the mn show. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Helix - Autochart Live - a small amount can be recorded on unit, but you need a Zero Line card ($99) to record more. The recorded maps will be on that chip and can be used in other HB units.
Autochart ($199) - works with older HB units. You record to a chip, but then need to load on a computer and have software write the map info. Once it is converted on the chip you can use it in other units.
I believe the end product will be the same either way, but with Live it is easier when you can see the mapping as your are recording. It lets you see what area might need more passes to get the best detail. I don't think you can copy the maps to another chip.
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| Thank you. I was thinking it was a zero line card gor both units.
I would think if you can record info on a blank sd card to eventually put on an autochart card with the legacy units you would be able to share that info. |
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Location: Watersmeet, Michigan | Does anyone know if these things work on waters that aren't even shown on the map, such as a large reservoir being where the map shows land, or a river channel actually being a couple hundred yards from where the map shows?
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| Pretty sure you can load the maps onto other zero line cards, pretty much 100% on this.
I wonder if you even need the zero line card, is it no just a standard sd but with a base map that shows shore but no contours? Don really need to see sure on my GPS, I can see that with my eyes |
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| Yes it does . it takes the info from your ducer in relation to your gps unit and starts making a map. I fish a lake in CA that it shows me on land most the time , it worked well with the Onix 10
sorry i was responding to yooper
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| Lunger50 - 3/30/2016 5:53 PM
Pretty sure you can load the maps onto other zero line cards, pretty much 100% on this.
I wonder if you even need the zero line card, is it no just a standard sd but with a base map that shows shore but no contours? Don really need to see sure on my GPS, I can see that with my eyes
no it is not just a standard sd card, they have it foolproof, just another way to get hundies out of my pocket. all and all it is top notch |
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| Yooper Padre - 3/30/2016 5:44 PM
Does anyone know if these things work on waters that aren't even shown on the map, such as a large reservoir being where the map shows land, or a river channel actually being a couple hundred yards from where the map shows?
Fr. K
I saw the Lindners doing this recently on an unmapped lake, or maybe it was someone else. I believe the process was, you record it, upload it to the system, and then it's incorporated into Lakemaster' system and they draw in the boundaries of the lake you mapped for them. Then it is part of their system and available to others as well. So, you paid them to map a lake for them. GENIUS! |
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| ARmuskyaddict - 3/30/2016 8:56 PM
Yooper Padre - 3/30/2016 5:44 PM
Does anyone know if these things work on waters that aren't even shown on the map, such as a large reservoir being where the map shows land, or a river channel actually being a couple hundred yards from where the map shows?
Fr. K
I saw the Lindners doing this recently on an unmapped lake, or maybe it was someone else. I believe the process was, you record it, upload it to the system, and then it's incorporated into Lakemaster' system and they draw in the boundaries of the lake you mapped for them. Then it is part of their system and available to others as well. So, you paid them to map a lake for them. GENIUS!
That isn't correct....The whole point of auto chart is that you DO NOT have to upload it. Lowrance, Navionics, Insight Genesis, you have to upload and then your map becomes part of their mapping and everyone can get it. |
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Location: Watersmeet, Michigan | Great technology! |
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Location: davis,IL | I have both and Autochart live looks to beat the pro version hands down as it makes the map while your recording. No need to upload anything or share it with anybody unless you wanted to. |
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| You only have to upload your stored data to your own computer on Autochart Pro, it processes it and saves it back to the zero line chip. There's no sharing of data unless you want to.
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| Wish I hadn't deleted the show. Maybe it was you can upload it and they'll draw in the lake. |
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| So we can share and copy info to make better, larger maps with autochart live with the zero line cards? |
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Location: davis,IL | The difference is as follows; You pick the area you want to map and make a series of passes over and around the area while recording, this applies to both autochart basic, pro, & live. With Autochart basic & pro you have to upload the recording to a pc and convert the map file, then upload it to your zero lines card, then put it back in your unit to see your map. With live it does the whole deal live as your recording, so you could map an area and fish it right then with no need to do anything else. You could also be recording while your fishing and making a map and fishing at the same time. I had a chance to play with it a little over last weekend on my new Helix units ( 9 & 10) and its slick.
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| muskydope - 3/31/2016 6:21 PM
The difference is as follows; You pick the area you want to map and make a series of passes over and around the area while recording, this applies to both autochart basic, pro, & live. With Autochart basic & pro you have to upload the recording to a pc and convert the map file, then upload it to your zero lines card, then put it back in your unit to see your map. With live it does the whole deal live as your recording, so you could map an area and fish it right then with no need to do anything else. You could also be recording while your fishing and making a map and fishing at the same time. I had a chance to play with it a little over last weekend on my new Helix units ( 9 & 10) and its slick.
I understand "live" no need for pc. Can I copy someone elses info or better yet add it to mine to make a better "live" chart. I have been told info is unique to zeroline card. You can give it to someone to put in their unit but it cannot be copied? |
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| cedarstrip - 3/31/2016 9:27 PM
muskydope - 3/31/2016 6:21 PM
The difference is as follows; You pick the area you want to map and make a series of passes over and around the area while recording, this applies to both autochart basic, pro, & live. With Autochart basic & pro you have to upload the recording to a pc and convert the map file, then upload it to your zero lines card, then put it back in your unit to see your map. With live it does the whole deal live as your recording, so you could map an area and fish it right then with no need to do anything else. You could also be recording while your fishing and making a map and fishing at the same time. I had a chance to play with it a little over last weekend on my new Helix units ( 9 & 10) and its slick.
I understand "live" no need for pc. Can I copy someone elses info or better yet add it to mine to make a better "live" chart. I have been told info is unique to zeroline card. You can give it to someone to put in their unit but it cannot be copied?
Yes you can share mapped data. Below is directly from their website.
"The ONIX, ION, and HELIX come with enough memory to record up to 8 hours of data . If you need more, then you will need to purchase the Zero Lines Map card . The Zero Lines Map card will give you years of record time as well as the ability to share maps with your friends. Check out AutoChart Pro and AutoChart PC for even more mapping features."
I think you might still need PC software if you want to map an entire large water body. |
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| This technology was developed by a law school buddy of mind and his friend. They sold it to Lowrance a few years ago. Awesome to see it catching on! |
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| whynot - 4/1/2016 7:52 AM
This technology was developed by a law school buddy of mind and his friend. They sold it to Lowrance a few years ago. Awesome to see it catching on!
Sold it to Lowrance?? Huh? We are talking about Birds, and only Birds have the capability to do what we are talking about.
Lowrance wants you to upload YOUR data so it becomes theirs(Navionics) and everyone else's....Garbage! |
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| Lol, ok. My buddy developed the initial device that intercepted raw sonar data and coordinated with GPS data to create your own maps. He has a patent for it. He sold his rights to lowrance. Humminbird came out with something similar shortly after. Where do you think they got the idea. Anyway, my point is this was a great idea. I agree that bird seems to have gone the more usable way with this idea, at least so far. |
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Location: davis,IL | As to copying a zero lines card to a regular card, Humminbird says no, so there must be some kind of codec on the zero lines card. With the basic and pro versions you can load it (made maps) onto as many zero lines cards you want with your pc,. I'm not sure if you can pull live data from the card and put it on another...I have not tried that yet.
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| autochart live - you do it straight on your unit. no need for a laptop. helix comes wiht 8 hrs of runtime
zero lines card - you will die before you fill this card. i believe it's just like any other lakemaster chip, in that you can move it around. you need autochart live to record on it.
the upload your map thing is lowrance.
major benefit of autochart pro is side imaging mosaic, where you can overlay side imaging data |
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| https://youtu.be/1E6IfdUJn6s that should clear things up for you guys |
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| so here is a question it looks like the helix 7 DI GPS has autochart Pro. do you need side imaging to use auto chart or can it be down with down imaging?
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