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Location: Sawyer County, WI | How long before somebody starts clandestinely stocking the Gull Chain and the others ? After all, it only says the DNR can't do it.  |
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Location: Contrarian Island | brings up an interesting angle actually....why couldn't a musky club stock it? Our Cap City club stocks the Madison chain...
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| BNelson - 4/6/2016 3:23 PM
brings up an interesting angle actually....why couldn't a musky club stock it? Our Cap City club stocks the Madison chain...
I would assume they would still need to go through and get approval from the association? Which I assume the majority is against? |
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| where can I get a couple thousand fingerlings and a bait truck for a day or two? |
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| I know White Bear Lake is stocked by the Twin Cities Chapter of MI, but this is in conjunction and oversight by the DNR as far as I know. The TC chapter couldn't just randomly start stocking WBL without the DNR approval. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | burningdubs - 4/6/2016 3:30 PM
BNelson - 4/6/2016 3:23 PM
brings up an interesting angle actually....why couldn't a musky club stock it? Our Cap City club stocks the Madison chain...
I would assume they would still need to go through and get approval from the association? Which I assume the majority is against?
It's only illegal if you get caught. |
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Location: MN | Not crazy about the new crow season, third time it has changed in three years.
I think you could contact your legislator and ask for an amendment to the bill to add or remove whatever. Governor mumbles could also line item veto parts as well. |
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Location: Nebraska | Do they really need rule 28? The "fine" for doing so negates the need for the law. |
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Location: US | Maybe I missed it, but when is this up for a vote? |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | jonnysled - 4/6/2016 12:47 PM
the notion that Lake Homeowners don't have more rights than public use is a farce. you may demand that they don't, but truth be told, they do and especially through well-funded Lake Associations. the Associations operate with influence no matter how loud you want to scream they don't have the right.
reminds me of an old dog trainer who once told a guy ... "no, to him (dog is out running around wherever he wants to off-lead) ... you're just the idiot over here screaming"
The Gull Lake Assn voted 7-1 not to have a stance on the muskie stocking.
It's a pet bill by some people in the legislature, one of whom didn't get the Rep nod for next year. |
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Location: The desert | Stein - 4/6/2016 4:19 PM
Do they really need rule 28? The "fine" for doing so negates the need for the law.
I thought the same thing! It's almost embarrassing that something like that was even written. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | jonnysled - 4/6/2016 10:53 AM
^the situation has got you riled up, have a snickers.
or maybe a "Dilly Bar"! That will also provide a false comfort level too! How do you oppose a bill that has so many other items? Gov't beauracracy at its finest! Got to love these fools, they never put the citizens or resources first. Joe Blow on Gull Lake gets their attention because he's a multi-millionaire. Equal rights for all is not even on the radar! Follow the money!
Sorry, I don't think so, its going to pass............Dilly Bar anyone?
Have fun!
Al
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| Kind of makes me think we should've targeted other lakes that wouldn't have been quite this fight. Clearwater, Bay, or some river fisheries would've been interesting. Gull was asking for a fight, justified or not. |
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| Perhaps we all need to be reminded of the golden rule...
"He who has the gold makes the rules."
It's not fair, it's not just, it's not right. It does not necessarily represent the best interest of the public at large, or the betterment of the fisheries. It certainly does not represent a fringe group of musky anglers, even though our intentions may be noble and well thought out.
The legislature responds to the money. The money comes from the lake association members. The money comes from the riparian landowners who pay big bucks in property taxes. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but the people whose voices will be heard are the colleagues and friends and neighbors of the folks signing these bills.
We can choose to villainize them, to our own detriment. That's not going to get us far. We can gripe and good guy and complain about them and how unfair it is that they have so much influence. That's not going to get us far, either.
The way to these folks is simple. We need to get behind this in a way that demonstrates how this musky stocking will benefit them personally, and financially.
Perhaps moreso than the financial aspect, (many of them have enough money already) is how it will benefit them personally. "What's in it for me??"
They don't care about you, or me, or us, or the fishery, or the lakes. They care about THEMSELVES. They wouldn't be where they are or who they are if they cared about anything BUT themselves.
I'm not sure what the answer is, or how we go about it. But until we approach this in a way that demonstrates the benefits to those folks over what we want and why, our efforts will likely go nowhere.
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Location: The desert | esoxaddict - 4/6/2016 10:34 PM
Perhaps we all need to be reminded of the golden rule...
"He who has the gold makes the rules."
It's not fair, it's not just, it's not right. It does not necessarily represent the best interest of the public at large, or the betterment of the fisheries. It certainly does not represent a fringe group of musky anglers, even though our intentions may be noble and well thought out.
The legislature responds to the money. The money comes from the lake association members. The money comes from the riparian landowners who pay big bucks in property taxes. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but the people whose voices will be heard are the colleagues and friends and neighbors of the folks signing these bills.
We can choose to villainize them, to our own detriment. That's not going to get us far. We can gripe and good guy and complain about them and how unfair it is that they have so much influence. That's not going to get us far, either.
The way to these folks is simple. We need to get behind this in a way that demonstrates how this musky stocking will benefit them personally, and financially.
Perhaps moreso than the financial aspect, (many of them have enough money already) is how it will benefit them personally. "What's in it for me??"
They don't care about you, or me, or us, or the fishery, or the lakes. They care about THEMSELVES. They wouldn't be where they are or who they are if they cared about anything BUT themselves.
I'm not sure what the answer is, or how we go about it. But until we approach this in a way that demonstrates the benefits to those folks over what we want and why, our efforts will likely go nowhere.
These people want their lake to become like a swimming pool. They don't care about the fish. Less fish, means less boats. That's the end goal. There is nothing in it for them in anything we would want to do. Trying to play nice on this issue will get you nowhere. |
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | esoxaddict - 4/6/2016 10:34 PM
Perhaps we all need to be reminded of the golden rule...
"He who has the gold makes the rules."
It's not fair, it's not just, it's not right. It does not necessarily represent the best interest of the public at large, or the betterment of the fisheries. It certainly does not represent a fringe group of musky anglers, even though our intentions may be noble and well thought out.
The legislature responds to the money. The money comes from the lake association members. The money comes from the riparian landowners who pay big bucks in property taxes. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but the people whose voices will be heard are the colleagues and friends and neighbors of the folks signing these bills.
We can choose to villainize them, to our own detriment. That's not going to get us far. We can gripe and good guy and complain about them and how unfair it is that they have so much influence. That's not going to get us far, either.
The way to these folks is simple. We need to get behind this in a way that demonstrates how this musky stocking will benefit them personally, and financially.
Perhaps moreso than the financial aspect, (many of them have enough money already) is how it will benefit them personally. "What's in it for me??"
They don't care about you, or me, or us, or the fishery, or the lakes. They care about THEMSELVES. They wouldn't be where they are or who they are if they cared about anything BUT themselves.
I'm not sure what the answer is, or how we go about it. But until we approach this in a way that demonstrates the benefits to those folks over what we want and why, our efforts will likely go nowhere.
You're either on something or on to to something, i.e." the common man". Well said and spot on. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | esoxaddict - 4/6/2016 10:34 PM
They don't care about you, or me, or us, or the fishery, or the lakes. They care about THEMSELVES. They wouldn't be where they are or who they are if they cared about anything BUT themselves.
That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there !
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | It's a broad brush , but you'd have to realize the reality, or dillusion of, that they're dealing with. This is the "beautiful people's " nirvana and they plan to keep it that way. Muskie stocking won't be welcome without a day spa or a sushi bar. Sorry.
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| jonnysled - 4/5/2016 3:27 PM
my opinion has always been that musky anglers as a group could dramatically improve the image vs. what is out there. shut off the type A bad azz heavy metal in-your-face crap and turn on a little more tranquility. i'd get Bucher, Lindners and the old guys in Canada to remind us what it's all about and how to present our sport.
Howdy,
Well said. As the saying goes, a few bad apples (you know the rest). I hate to say this but I have always felt that the most unfriendly and elitist fisherman that I have ever met in camp were muskie fisherman. It pains me to say that because I am a muskie guy first and foremost, but the truth hurts.
I live in Ohio and I can say that the further west I travel, the worse it gets. I suspect its because of the predominantly casting mentality in WI, MN & western Ontario vs, the trolling mentality on eastern waters. I say that as a person who hates trolling and exclusively casts. Please don't take that as a shot on those States because its not meant that way (plenty of jerks out east, believe me). Its more of a referendum on casters and the paranoia generated by spot of the spot tactics that are a casting necessity, particularly on Shield waters.
One thing I have always done is help people who are struggling or new to the sport by sharing spots, info, etc. If someone asks I'll share everything I know and have never felt like it cost me a fish regardless of where I was fishing (and I've fished all over). They are fish, not military secrets for goodness sakes, and they will bite when they are ready. If I happen to be there when it happens all the better, if not I hope someone else enjoys the experience.
Finally, the way a lot of our peers walk around like they are the king of fisherman because they target the king of fish isn't helping. As I have gotten older I just laugh at them now, but it used to really bother me and I can see how it would turn off others rather quickly.
Obviously this alone won't stop bad legislation from pandering politicians and ill-informed citizens, but it would help to alleviate the stereotypes that often are used to justify bad solutions to problems that don't exist.
Take care,
Ruddiger
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| I just emailed a couple representatives and relayed my concerns. I hope it makes it to their desks. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | how does it benefit them financially? how many stuck around at Mille Lacs? c'mon man ... our group is there when it's good and disappear when it goes bad. tell me an other b.s. story. there is a lot of karma in this bill. our collective group could use some leadership and some tact.
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | There has been much news recently about our president over-reaching his authority, with several posturing lawsuits to restrict this behavior, and others posturing amendments to prohibit this in the future. IMO, this is what is needed when it comes to what is happening with the DNR in MN. How can we mobilize cross species support to move towards strengthening the laws that restrict the legislature's ability to over-ride the DNR, effectively restoring the DNR's ability to run their program as their research supports? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Luke_Chinewalker - 4/7/2016 9:17 AM
There has been much news recently about our president over-reaching his authority, with several posturing lawsuits to restrict this behavior, and others posturing amendments to prohibit this in the future. IMO, this is what is needed when it comes to what is happening with the DNR in MN. How can we mobilize cross species support to move towards strengthening the laws that restrict the legislature's ability to over-ride the DNR, effectively restoring the DNR's ability to run their program as their research supports?
You know it's serious sh*t if Mudd_Butt posts on M1st... |
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