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| So I'm in the car business in the real world. My opinion is the Toyota's will hang on very well if they discontinue them...supply will be gone but demand will remain.
The mid 2000's were bad years for the ford gas v8's with some cronic issues and they have suffered in resale as a result. Thus far the Eco-boost have been very well received...mileage empty is really good and about average with a large boat in tow. Front ends historicly are a weak point.
The Fords will feel truckier and IMO are the heaviest duty most truck like of the half tons out there. Less likely to rattle out 200K without issues than the Tundra but quite a bit lower priced to start. Probably the best if you are beating the crap out of it with heavy loads regularly.
Me I'm a GM guy, hold up really well in both resale and mechanicals....and we touch a lot of trucks in our world.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | many years ago i worked building harvestore silos, then re-sealing them and then re-possesing them LOL ... but, back then in the 80's and early 90's there seemed to be a distinction with what you found for farm and fleet work trucks vs. going to town trucks. from a car business perspective, is there still a distinction among brands or not so much?
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| JS here is my take in a few different catagories:
The big Diesels: The big Fords rule when big towing is the deal...Ram has fallen out of favor other than fleet stuff, GM holds the gentlemans truck nich pretty firmly...not that they won't work hard but most of them end up towing a big snowmobile trailer or similar as their "work"
Half Tons...as noted above the Ford gets the nod for Beefy...turn radius is like a bus on the new ones but a decent ride and decent creature comforts , the Ram has come on strong and has a really nice ride, interior etc...but stay away from the diesel as it is a toilet with engineering issues and they are breaking big time. Long term durability has never been the Ram strong suit but they are currently building a nice truck...if they last. GM take the fleet sales away from Ford and the GM models dominate in the retail consumer category. Resale is by the best of the big 3 and they hold up over lots of use better than the other two thus far...If your driving a truck with 150K on it the GM likely drives the best. Certainly the leader in the gentleman 1/2 ton category.
Nissan....Meh no one cares
Toyota, as noted above they make good stuff and the trucks are no exception, pricey up front and in our area more gentleman than workin man but a good product for sure. Head out west and you see more of them working than here.
Just one man opinion...but I have owned probably thousands of the domestics and maybe a 100 of the Toyos in the last years...mind you for a very short time frame each  |
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | Just got $16,900 in dealer trade for a 2005 Ford F150 Supercrew Lariat. 100k miles.
I think that RESALE is pretty solid for a 10 year old truck.
Dealer resold the truck inside of 10 days. (I know because the guy that bought it had to call me for the keyless entry code ! Ha)
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| With low fuel prices trucks are hot right now... |
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| bturg - 12/11/2015 10:52 AM
With low fuel prices trucks are hot right now...
That boggles my mind. Cause fuel prices won't go back up sooner than later??? |
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| If I had the perfect answer on fuel prices I would trading oil futures and counting the profits instead of hanging out here!
No doubt they will go up again as soon as OPEC feels they have squeezed enough of the Frackers and higher cost producers out of business.
The irony is low oil prices are viewed as a negative as far as the stock trading community is concerned...boggles my mind.
One thing I do know is when gas hits plus 3 bucks a gallon people who don't really need a truck will be running for the exits as fast as they can...and at 4 bucks they will be screaming while they run...I'll be moaning and groaning with the rest of you because I like to fish and that means pulling a boat and I NEED my truck.
Back to the Ford VS Toyota discussion
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Location: Waukesha, WI, USA | Thanks for all of the replies folks. It's been very informative. My sights will be on the SR5 4x4 with 4.3 gear ratio and towing package. My local dealership (Wilde) tells me there are no 15's around and there haven't been for some time. There's two 16's within a 300 mile radius close to my specs but not exact. They are suggesting I build my own and get the current incentives. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | I love my F150
About to hit 100k on my 2010. Absolutely zero issues and it is a beast. And unless things have changed since I bought, the incentives on the F150 made it quite a bit more affordable. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Sunshine - 12/12/2015 5:42 AM
Thanks for all of the replies folks. It's been very informative. My sights will be on the SR5 4x4 with 4.3 gear ratio and towing package. My local dealership (Wilde) tells me there are no 15's around and there haven't been for some time. There's two 16's within a 300 mile radius close to my specs but not exact. They are suggesting I build my own and get the current incentives.
Dennis, you'll love that vehicle!! I think we're pretty lucky in this U.S of A. to have such super choices...(I'm British .. but I got papers!!") *G*
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| I have a 2014 Tundra that I use for towing a Ranger 621. I like the truck a lot, but the mileage isn't that great. While towing, I usually get between 10-12 depending on the speed and wind conditions. It has been as low as 8 in heavy wind. My regular mileage on the highway is about 17. |
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| I put 250K on my Last F150 5.4 with no real issues other than a tune up. Only got rid of it because the rocker panels were starting to rust out. Now I have a 13 F150 5.0 and absolutely love it. Keep in mind a lot of these guys are talking older trucks, all the new trucks are worlds better in the last few years. One thing with a new 2015+ F150 is you'll never worry about the body rusting out and they will have all the power you need. Parts will also be cheaper since there it is a million of them and they get better mileage then the Tundras. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | my first thought on the aluminum body is Oxydation Potential. the aluminum body panels being "connected" to steel makes me wonder what they use to eliminate or reduce oxidation potential cuz essentially any steel connected to aluminum with an electrolyte will build a super speedway for electrons and an anode-cathode response.
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| jonnysled - 12/14/2015 12:01 PM
my first thought on the aluminum body is Oxydation Potential. the aluminum body panels being "connected" to steel makes me wonder what they use to eliminate or reduce oxidation potential cuz essentially any steel connected to aluminum with an electrolyte will build a super speedway for electrons and an anode-cathode response.
I was curious about that - under my father-in-law's hood I think I was looking at stainless steel fasteners into aluminum parts with no barrier between. Could be wrong. |
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Location: varies | "Another area of potential concern are the points where the body and bed are mounted to the steel frame underneath. Ford spent the time to address this concern with coated bolts, clips, and isolated body mounts. The basic point is – you want to prevent the raw aluminum components from coming into contact with other types of metals or the environment."
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| My GF bought a new Escape on Friday. I asked about corrosion on the new trucks and they told me Ford had addressed the situation and there should be no problems. He could not answer specifically to how they addressed the problem though. |
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| I've owned two new F150's, a new GMC full size, and now a 2008 Toyota Tundra.
The Tundra is by far, the best truck, for towing, dependability, and comfort. |
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Location: Minnesota. | bucknuts - 12/21/2015 6:34 PM
I've owned two new F150's, a new GMC full size, and now a 2008 Toyota Tundra.
The Tundra is by far, the best truck, for towing, dependability, and comfort.
Mine's a 2003. I crunched the arse-end twice (in one year!) b/c I just didn't pay attention backing up.
No issues of any kind. And.....NO rust either. That's 12 yrs. now. In the last 11 vehicles I've owned none can beat that. |
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | I admit I was concerned about the aluminum issues when I bought my new 2014 Supercrew FX4 last New Year's Eve. I could have had either (2014 or 2015) at that time but chose good ol' steel. The difference in weight did not sell me because the truck pulled what I needed to pull (a Ranger 620) just perfectly. Admittedly I'd love some substantial improvement in gas mileage but I'll take the 2 mpg improvement the new truck seems to provide over my old 5.4 V8. I'll certainly take the terrific performance improvement....it's very noticeable !!! The aluminum may prove a great and compatible material for the truck bodies....I just did not want to be on the front end of that "experiment".
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